Featured Toyota Technical Chief says People are Finally Seeing the Reality about Hydrogen EVs

Toyota Admits Mirai Has “Not Been Successful,” Will Focus On Hydrogen Commercial Vehicles | Carscoops "[/url]

isn't that similar to saying you had 5 cars sold last year ... but THIS year you triple the number?

 

Nothing new. We always knew the bulk of the investment would be focused on industrial & commercial use anyway. Mirai was a handy development/refinement platform that doubled as a component share with plug-in vehicles.

 

Toyota's leadership;

Well yeah - Toyo expected everybody else & their grandmother to build expensive refueling stations for their cars at a cost (not just for the stations but) for fuel that's WAY more expensive than anyone wants to pay - fuel that is primarily reformed from fossil fuels to add insult to injury. At least electric car owners can produce their own fuel at home via solar panels.
If fool cels were such a grand / affordable idea - Toyo would have built the stations themselves Ah- lah Tesla & supercharger stalls.
The real question is why Toyota didn't see the writing on the wall years sooner. Fossil fuels to reform hydrogen continues to go up & up which means that the even more expensive hydrogen would be even WAY more expensive.
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It would of been a huge hit if they had designed a home appliance that could make hydrogen out of your waste water... But that would probably use just as much electricity as an EV charger and lead to some pretty impressive house fires while they got the bugs worked out.

 

"people are finally seeing the reality..." toyota speak for, "carb has finally cut off our funding"

 

PEM fuel cells need really pure hydrogen to avoid being poisoned. Meanwhile, Honda told Civic CNG owners to stop using home filling units cause the natural gas to homes wasn't clean enough for the car's fuel system and corroding it.

 

Only to be replaced by a multi-billion dollar, hydrogen fuel station 'initiative' by the Federal government.

Source: Alternative Fuels Data Center: Hydrogen Fueling Infrastructure Development

The availability of stations providing reasonably priced hydrogen in places where vehicles will be deployed remains a key challenge to the adoption of this technology. To address this challenge, the U.S. Department of Energy (DOE) launched H2USA—a public-private collaboration with federal agencies, automakers, hydrogen providers, fuel cell developers, national laboratories, and additional stakeholders. H2USA is focused on advancing hydrogen infrastructure to support more transportation energy options for U.S. consumers.​

Source_2: https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2023/10/13/biden-harris-administration-announces-regional-clean-hydrogen-hubs-to-drive-clean-manufacturing-and-jobs/

. . . President Biden and Energy Secretary Jennifer Granholm are announcing seven regional clean hydrogen hubs that were selected to receive $7 billion in Bipartisan Infrastructure Law funding to accelerate the domestic market for low-cost, clean hydrogen.​

So a 'hydrogen hub' only costs $1 billion. Google searching for more details made me hate my eyes.

Bob Wilson

 

"Clean hydrogen can reduce emissions in many sectors of the economy and is especially important for hard-to-decarbonize sectors and industrial processes, such as heavy-duty transportation and chemical, steel, and cement manufacturing." - the White House link above

Not sure about the transportation, but we do need clean hydrogen for industrial and agricultural purposes.

As for the OP, Toyota has just come to the same conclusion as VW, Mercedes, and others have years ago.

 

(sigh) i guess that's one more group that'll be beholdin' to fund the reelection war chest. the oldest profession.
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Yeah... The first ICE was invented in 1807... But it took a hundred years to mass produce them for cars. I suspect making hydrogen in your own home as part of a living machine that purifies your wastewater in a way that doesn't waste energy, but actually conserves energy is still a couple decades away.

 

What is white hydrogen? Scientists say the clean-energy gas could save the world. (msn.com)

Hard to understand people who write off innovations and discoveries just to belittle a company or technology.

 

I encourage any and all hydrogen advocates to buy hydrogen vehicles and technology:

“There's no education in the second kick of the mule,” McConnell said, in one of several interviews that week invoking the phrase. He had just negotiated a political surrender after a 16-day federal shutdown left Republicans battered.​

Bob Wilson

 

That is a wonderful quote and it makes you point well.

You guys may be right about Hydrogen.

I believe life and our universe has may wonderful surprises left for us to find - I'm anxious to see what the future holds and what wonderful discoveries yet await us.

 

Interesting that there is a potential natural source. It doesn't address the issue of how to ship it around to were it is needed. Much of the high price for hydrogen at the pump in California is in the shipping, compressing, chilling, and storing of it.

 

Devil is in the details

 

balloons

 

Moving hydrogen around is tricky enough that current research is into doing so with carrier compounds. You make, or mine in this case, the hydrogen, then convert it into ammonia or methanol, ship it, and then strip the hydrogen off the compound for use.