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Go see the Euro NCAP tests for the year 2022.

Euro NCAP | Latest Safety Ratings

The Tesla Model S and Y where tested (as well as the Toyota BZ4X, Lexus and many high end European vehicles). If on a mobile, view in landscape and sort by Overall Rating. They both came on top of every other cars tested (BX4X came in 16th but two Lexus came in 3rd and 5th). Check their videos, you'll see how complete their tests are.

 

Not saying you're wrong, but you'll have an easier time un-inventing those distractions than enforcing existing regulations, never mind fresh ones.

 

You see, that's the thing with OTA update, it takes quite some times before your car becomes obsolete. Since last summer (I think, there are so many updates), you can use the steering wheel left scroll wheel to adjust the temperature. And yet, Toyota can't even fix my stupid consumption gauge that shows 0-10 kWh/100 km while the car averages 15 kWh/100 km!

 

I had to smile as the steering wheel control of my Tesla and BMW i3 are reversed:

• BMW - left spoke buttons for cruise control; right spoke buttons for audio, and; center seat console scroll wheel for navigation.
• Tesla - left spoke buttons for audio; right spoke buttons for cruise control and navigation.

When I swap vehicles, it takes a couple of minutes to 'adjust' from the other car. I have thought about rewiring the BMW to swap the steering wheel control operations to match the Tesla.

Bob Wilson

 

When I get in the Prius, I often turn on the wipers instead of putting it into reverse. In my Model 3, I have it bark at me because I tried to put it in reverse while all I wanted was to do a single sweep of the wipers. Since both cars do not need to put the drive stick to park before turning off, when I used my son's car last Saturday (was bringing it to him after I fixed his wheel), I kept forgetting to put it in park. Almost hit the car in front of me in a parking lot because of that because it started to roll away!

 

what's a CD .....

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Over the past ½ century -we who live in our enlightened, industrialized world expect such a bubble wrap - insulated - you owe me - hold my hand world.
LOL
On top of that - for even longer - our society has indulged in 'puffery' - the gray area between a black & white lie we here - from politicians to car sales, to product sales to sales of service.
So here ... a car's safety system is somewhere between 11% & 40 odd percent safer. (sigh)
Aren't we all glad that we weren't born in the land of Isis - now riding w/ 30 other AK toting terrorists on the back of a flatbed pickup turning the corner & you fall off, with no manufacturer to sue?

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We can't stop people from doing dumb stuff (go see the r/accidents and r/DarwinAwards subreddits to see proof of that) but I'm really glad that vehicles are a lot safer now than "back then"

And it's gone even better since 2009, maybe to the point that the accident is itself averted.

 

oh, i don't expect it to change. i just find the whole subject of automobile safety hypocritical

 

I got a nice reply from Noah Goodall, the author of the paper Ed cited. In response to my question about accurate references:

Ed did misinterpret the paper a bit. When comparing Tesla's running Autopilot to Tesla's not running Autopilot (and correcting for freeway vs. nonfreeway crash rates) I believe that AP is about 10% safer than non-AP. I can't state this with statistical certainty as Tesla doesn't publish sample sizes, but I'm fairly confident that they've been overstating their safety improvements.

The 11% improvement is referring to age-adjusting Tesla crash rates. Tesla's owners skew older, and therefore safer, than a national sample of drivers. Ed seems to infer that this would apply only to AP vehicles, but it would actually apply to all Teslas. (I tried to control for age because Tesla compares the crash rate of Tesla vehicles to NHTSA's general public crash rate, which is misleading for a lot of reasons, mainly that NHTSA has a different definition of "crash" than Tesla. Age adjustment is just another factor that must be controlled for in any comparative analysis.)

The purpose of that paper was to give researchers, regulators, and industry some guidance in how to compare their vehicles' crash rates to other AVs and general public rates. I would need more data to make definitive claims.

My analysis was based on Tesla's safety reports as of 2021 when I wrote the paper. This January, they revised all those crash rates and Autopilot appears much safer. However, their revisions raise a lot of questions, and there are some discrepancies that don't make sense to me. I wrote a paper about that, which is currently out for review. Here's a link if you're interested. To be clear, I wrote that one on my own, . . . . ​

I volunteered to use my editor eye on the final paper and data to share with Noah . . . not here! I agree with Noah's goals and want to share insights I've learned in may career. But I think the title of this thread should be, pick one:

• "Ed Niedermeyer's big lie about Tesla is finally exposed"
• "Journalist exposes incompetence again."
• "Niedermeyer fools the TeslaQ crowd."
• "Ed projects his journalism ethics on Elon Musk" (my favorite)

I am not invested in the Rolling Stone or Ed Niedermeyer. If they choose to join our thread, I will be happy to go into details. Their ignorance does not change the facts and data.

Bob Wilson

 

Before I go on a trip next weekend I will have to sit in the car and familiarize myself how to turn on the am radio and tune it to traffic, plus how to turn on some of the climate. Otherwise when I’m driving it’s very annoying to deal with. Most of the time I give up for safety reasons.
Biggest safety feature, keep your eyes on the road.

 

more click bate, as most of us expected. i don't even like rolling stones music reviews

 

Never fear !!!

Our illustrious Tesla hating protagonist OP is undoubtedly looking for another skewing article to throw mud on Tesla owners - even as we read.

Some new cars (which shall rename nameless here) have the capability to hear your verbal commands to do those features
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Every comedy team has:

• The straight man
• The fool

Together, they make us smile.

Bob Wilson

 

But that wouldn't generate as many clicks as the current title. You must think about the revenue! /s

 

With some pretty specific commands like "open butthole" (not sure the profanity filter will accept the last word lol)

Edit: it did!

 

Now I see it on a separate tab: "NHTSA Crash Test Results". IIHS is not a federal government entity, so I'd be very surprised to see its ratings copied to an EPA page.

Hawgwarsh! Stop deceiving yourself.

Microsleeps are far worse than those. I'm seeing definitions up to 15-30 seconds:
Microsleep - Wikipedia
What to Know About Microsleep: Dangers, Causes, and Prevention
Microsleep: Symptoms, Causes, and Safety Risks | Sleep Foundation

In my cases, I was awaken by the bumps of drifting out of lane. If AP is keeping you in lane, then you will go even longer before waking up. (Both my cases were before AP existed, in places still outside of AP-valid zones.)

Watching spouse have microsleeps while we are lounging in front of the TV at home, she can very easily go more than 15 seconds of actual snoring and still deny that she fell asleep or missed any of the program at all. Microsleeping myself in the passenger seat in between driver shift changes, it is amazing how much the roadside scenery can change during what I thought was just a very momentary nod.

Humans are awful at judging just how long they were non-responsive.

 

if filters tighten up (no pun intended) we can always swittch over to, "grab yer ancles"

that's a good read
who here hasn't felt heavy eyelids on long drives at night on occasions. One trip back from Park City Utah to SoCal - at night at around midnight .... yea ... you don't realize it happening necessarily - until that "head jerk" feeling hits you. PANIC! .... whew! Model X prevented a disaster. Changed up drivers. Would have pulled over if driving solo. we do miss that feature on our "newer" cars

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Vehicle safety systems, and crash safety, and road safety design, have been continuously improving for the past century.

And yet, fatalities per (100 million) vehicle miles traveled are higher now than a decade ago. What changed? It seems to have something to do with human behavior.

Even before this past decade, back when deaths/100MVMT were still falling, the reductions in deaths were less than they should have been for the particular new-improved vehicle safety. Humans were partially defeating the new-improved safety systems back then too, but only in the past single decade have humans worsened faster than their vehicles improved.