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Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by tkc100, Dec 29, 2023.

  1. tkc100

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    It has been some time since I participated in this forum, and I am now hoping the community can assist me.
    I have been the happy owner of a 2010, 2015 and 2022 Prius. Recently my financial situation changed, and I had to sell my 2022. So sad!
    I retired from the fire department and before that made a living as a mechanic for about 10 years. I am living on a fixed income and need transportation. I am not afraid of putting some sweat equity into a reliable used car. In fact, it is the only way I can afford one.
    I have never shopped the used Prius market. From what I have seen so far is that used Prius's sell fast and for good money.
    I am looking at a car that is within my price range but of course it comes with some issues. I would greatly appreciate any advice you all might provide.
    2008 Toyota Prius Standard Hatchback 4D $3,000
    262,000 miles
    Here is the description the current owner provided.
    Selling my car because it did not pass smog in California, the catalytic converter is beneath California efficiency but with an O2 sensor should be able to pass smog in any other state. Exterior paint has some orange peel. It needs a new ABS pump, right headlight, license plate lights and one CV boot. I am attaching a picture of the dash. (There is some problem with uploading the file.) Hybrid battery has been mostly rebuilt but could use new wire harness and the battery cells could use reconditioning. Whatever that means.
    Been on the market for 5 weeks.

    What do you think? How much is a fair price? Would I be getting into a mess? I don’t know if the headlight is a bulb or a lens. I am aware of the problems with high intensity light ballast problems. I am not familiar with the braking system. I know the battery alone is about $1,500 and a good days work to replace.
     
  2. Tombukt2

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    I would think in Texas you could do a whole lot better if you're willing to do a little bit of work I'm in North Carolina and regularly by these cars for $700 a thousand 850 whatever If you send me an email I'll send you some pictures of recent ones that I've purchased that it needed very little work usually balance the battery the HV sometimes they need a brake actuator. Simple quick things like that I've bought no bad engines or none of that nonsense everything is running like a top a few of them I've gone far away to pick up like 70 mi and got there and started them and driven them home I would be looking around towing lots are a good place to start Facebook marketplace there's still a bunch of dummies out there little throw tons of parts at these cars and then send them off to the tow lot you'd be shocked I get them all the time. I would say do some more searching $3,000 if I personally pay $3,000 for a generation too It better be shiny clean whatever I don't care if it doesn't run but with the way the interiors and some of the exteriors of these cars get in the sun sitting in parking lots at work No those are $1,500 cars and I've been buying them during the pandemic bought two of them just the past few weeks Good luck buddy
     
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    Thanks for the reply! I attempted to send you my e-mail but because I haven't been active for quite sometime it would not let me.
    I now live in Yuma Arizona which is a pretty limited market. My two brothers live out your way. However Phoenix, Tuscon and San Diego are about a 3 hour drive. It is difficult to negotiate over e-mail and the phone. I would drive for the right deal. I would get a one way rental. I thought $3000 was ridiculous but I needed to start somewhere and you have already given me some guidelines. Right now I have about $2500 to spend. If possible that needs to cover the purchase and any repairs. Am I dreaming? My last three Prius had no repairs except for routine maintenance. Have you got any tips for how to search? I have been looking on Facebook market place. Up to now I haven't seen anything under about $1500 unless it is just it is just a lost leader. It is my first experience with the market place. There are a lot of individuals (or dealer posing as individuals) that misrepresent themself and or just lie. It is much more convoluted than Craigslist. It sure would be nice to land a good deal on a Prius.
     
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    do you have tools and experience to keep an old prius running?

    are you tech savvy?
     
  5. tkc100

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    Yes, I am tool poor and have a lot of experience working on car, trucks and most anything mechanical. I owned a shop and have never had anyone else work on one of my cars. Perhaps because I know the business and find it hard to trust.
    Of course I would prefer a new one but money is tight. My experience with 3 Prius's is that they were pretty trouble free.
     
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    There's no below California efficiency threshold for the cat once the cat fails because it can't pass the in-car test that the car runs whenever it runs you have the PO420 or something similar that light is not going away until the catalytic converter can pass this test but aftermarket when apparently can't do it because the Prius converters are very dense or something along those lines so you will be failing in any state that requires you to pass emissions. If you're in a state or a county in a state where emissions is not required like I am then you could have a pipe there they only have a safety inspection which involves lights horn brake lights wipers that's it check engine lights on no matter in my county You will do better no question about it especially in Texas I would think it'd be very similar to here in North Carolina and I've been through four or five of these things since I've been on this list and I'll be through probably a whole lot more and I generally try not to pay over $1,000 for any of them usually buying them from towing lots and things like that sometimes I have to deal with paperwork sometimes not really just depends but they're all for personal use I'm not in this to sell cars get people cars none of that so they're for me to personally use so therefore there's no monetary gain to come into play. And I have financial responsibility for any machinery that I own or use whether it's upon a highway State road or not.
     
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    My E mails. [email protected].
     
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    It's old enough that you are absolutely going to have to work on it, starting from day 1.

    Because it is a hybrid, it involves a battery. The battery involves materials that degrade over time, so never mind what the odometer says.

    You don't really make up for that. Somebody takes a hit buying a new(er) battery. Maybe that is you? It doesn't have to be, so think about that in the context of the purchase vs. other options.

    You can squeeze a lot of miles out of those cars with some effort, but know what you're getting into.
     
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    Thank you all for your advise based on experience. Right now I am keeping a 1984 Toyota pickup alive with 300k +. Without AC, down here in Arizona. I actually enjoy working on a car when there is no customer involved. Things get crazy with a customer's $ are involved. Also at my age I am to slow. I have to ration my body.
    I am aware of the fact the traction battery has a defined lifespan and I am not afraid of changing it out if I could the right price on the car.
    As luck would have it my daughter sold her Prius for $400 because it needed a new battery. At the time I had a beautiful red 2022 Prius so I wasn't interested. I had to sell it because finances got tight.
    Based on Tombukt2 input I have already ruled out the car I mentioned previously. Back when I owned the 2010 I enjoyed participating on the forum. You have given me hope that is possible to get a Prius in my budget. Again, any advise or tip will be greatly appreciated.
     
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    In terms of reliability and cost of repair the 2004-2009 are the best, as long as you're willing to DIY any issues it has. And of course a Gen3 2010-2015 is a newer version that's better in some ways, but the engines fail prematurely due to clogged EGR, headgasket failure and premature oil loss via high MPG piston rings. However, if you're in Texas this guy name Drew in Oklahoma eliminates those problems by putting a Gen4 Prius engine in Gen3 for $1500 in one day in your driveway: https://www.instagram.com/skimmilkhybrid/ Used Gen4 engines are about $1800... Maybe you can find a broke down Gen3 that needs a new engine for cheap.
     
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    Just googled your email address... Looks like you're in the business of making backpacks, bags and luggage... Any plans to make some customized bags for Prius owners?
     
  12. tkc100

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    PriusCamper thanks for the comment but I'm not sure what e-mail address you googled but I am not in the business of anything. I'm retired.
     
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    [email protected]. has never manufactured or sewn any kind of bags. I have sold side cases and luggage for motorbikes but not to the point where my email address would be associated with that but that's interesting Tombukt2 is a play on a place called Timbuktu. As in out of this world or what have you. I've had this email address 30 years like since the internet started with AOL and black and white no pictures that sort of thing.
     
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    Oh that's like a 22RE truck had a billion of those that'll last forever 22RE is a chain drive overhead valve nice engine generally speaking The r engine came from the forklift originally started as the 5R then change to the AR than the 18R then the 20 r then the 22R and then 22REC fuel injection that is a great truck if it's not completely ate up with rust and what have you they typically last pretty much forever I have a 90 model floating around in town somewhere that another guy owns now that he loves and may never get rid of it.
     
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    The gen2 prius has a great record but there are some things that get expensive. Brake actuators, HV battery issues and cats are the top of the list. And there are some unique elements to the hybrid system, requiring software and hardware to diagnose. You might consider a similar vintage toyota without the hybrid system. Yaris, corolla, etc are easier to diagnose and cheaper on parts.
    Spend an hour or 3 reading this forum about some of the issues and the repairs, it is well worth the time.
     
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    A Prius is not like a regular gasoline vehicle.
    Since you’ve owned three, you probably know that many repairs start by reading the trouble codes with tech stream software, and then subscribing to the service manual for the trouble shooting tree.
    After that, the wrenching is mostly the same, but electrical issues with ecu’s, wiring harness and pin connections can be more complicated
     
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    With a $2500 all in budget I would probably optimize your 1984 Toyota by fixing the AC and any other loose ends like tires and brakes.

    Otherwise you want an early 2000s Corolla or Camry that is conventional with good aftermarket parts availability. Which any $2500 Corolla or Camry runner will need.

    Do not even consider a hybrid in that price range. The brake booster alone could be $2500 as could the hv battery, both way too common.
     
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    I have a '94 AE Corolla with the 7AFE 1.8 l E gold trim car with a nice seats sunroof all of it was given to me left at my shop with coffee stains other than that perfect condition needed a front hub No one can kill this car.
     
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    Wow! what a good response from you all.

    [email protected] PriusCamper got sender and receiver mixed up'

    MCCOHENS
    "The gen2 prius has a great record but there are some things that get expensive. Brake actuators, HV battery issues and cats are the top of the list. And there are some unique elements to the hybrid system, requiring software and hardware to diagnose."
    That is why I thought I could get an inexpensive one. I know my daughter sold a Gen 2 that needed a new traction battery for $400. Outer than that, and I am not discounting the cost of a new battery, the car was in very good condition. Timing is everything sometimes. :( Back when I was still turning a wrench could pickup a car with troubles cheap. Especially electrical problems. I don't know what it like today but I made a good living and went home clean doing what most mechanics shy away from. I you know of any such cars please let me know.

    rjparker
    I appreciate your comments. My little PU never had AC and it has little to no rust. Maybe I am dreaming or maybe I can get lucky. If my only objective was a cheap reliable car I would pickup a Crown Vic. I have seen them go at auction for as little as $500 but the cabbies really like them.
    Odd that you would steer me away from an old Gen 2 when you own a 2012 Prius v trim 3 (476,000 km Nov 2023 296,000 miles)
    "(By the way it is better to ask for advice rather than being someone who dispenses advise in a case like this)"
    Sorry if I sounded like I was attempting to give any advice.

    I think that about get me caught up with the posts. PriusCamper from your byline I may want to get back in touch with you should I get lucky. Didn't this forum use to have a classified section. tombukt2 I will PM you.
    Once again thanks to you all for taking the time to share.:)
     
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    After all the advice and help I received on purchasing a Gen II Prius, I felt I owed it to the community to share my experience. It was a six month search for the car I felt met my needs. I took into account all of the comments and advice I received during my search.
    A special shout out to Tombukt2 for all the effort he put into assisting me.
    First, I quickly discovered that my options in Yuma Arizona were limited or nonexistent. I had to expand my search to a 250-mile radius which includes Phoenix, Tucson, LA, and San Diego. It wasn’t until I started looking into the $5,000 range that I started to encounter any promising prospects, and those were, far and few between. At least in this area Priuses are very popular and sot after. Not just by economy focused individuals but by cabbies, Uber, Grubhub and so on drivers. I encountered many vehicles that were described as: runs good but the engine check light is on, runs good but has a salvage tile or no title, missing catalytic converter, 200 – 250 300 + thousand miles on it. It was very difficult to find a car with decent paint. Out here the sun is very hard on paint. Many of the cars I looked at had peeling clear coat. Then of course there was the ever-lingering concern about an older high mileage Prius and its Hybrid traction battery. There were more than a couple of vehicles that were advertised as having a new battery when in fact it was a reconditioned battery. Reconditioned can mean many things, most of which are not good.
    I was becoming discouraged when a car showed up out in San Diego. If I were to make a list of things, of what I wanted in a used Prius this one met almost all my requirements. Clean interior and exterior, 130k, one owner, complete service records and service history, “new” traction battery 2 years ago installed at the dealer and as a complete bonus it was a color I really liked.
    I immediately contacted the seller only to find out I was third in line already. The car had just been put on Marketplace that same day. I don’t think I have ever bought anything sight unseen, especially something this expensive. But after months of looking, I felt this was it. So, over the phone I was able to convince the seller to move me to the top of the list if I made a $300 deposit via Venmo. I have got to tell you that in this day and age I was more than a little bit nervous to do so. I mean I didn’t know this guy from Adam, and I had yet to even see the car in person.
    I got a one-way rental and drove out to San Diego through last Monday’s torrential down poor and picked up the car. No buyer’s remorse and after looking for so long I was very excited.
    This is my third Prius, 2006, 2015, 2023 so I am no stranger to their virtues and vices. It was a drastic change in my economic situation that necessitated the sale of my 2023 and the search for this car.
    Now I am putting it through its trial runs and bonding with it.
    Thanks to everyone!
     
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