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Reconditioning Hybrid Battery

Discussion in 'Gen 3 Prius Main Forum' started by veggiecar, Jan 11, 2024.

  1. veggiecar

    veggiecar Junior Member

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    I am in the process of reconditioning the hybrid battery. I have run across an issue that I have not seen discussed. I have small amounts of blue fluid collecting in crevices of some of the modules. I am sure it would be better if it was not collecting but is this a reason to discard those modules? Pictures attached.

    2012 Prius Gen 3 265,000 miles Code P0A80

    Sorry for the image links… I could not upload the pictures.

    Thanks in advance for the help.

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  2. ASRDogman

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    Looks like they are leaking. Not good or safe.
     
  3. Tombukt2

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    Yeah or else you got something dripping in the back there but I doubt that's anything that's the viscosity of water. Put some on a q-tipping and touch it on your tongue or you might could even test it with a digital voltmeter I don't know but that's not acceptable over here that's for sure what's the tray look like that the rack sits on the silver thing hopefully it's not painted in its original You see any drips and white spots on the tray on the edge of the tray where the screws go in from the bottom to hold the modules? I'd probably try and round up a rack of balanced modules from somewhere there are people that sell them online all of that or you can try and round up individuals and all of that yourself to save a couple bucks absolutely whatever it takes
     
  4. veggiecar

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    The tray was clean and all of the nuts that came off of the battery posts were clean. If I clean the battery and use the hobby charger to cycle the battery and it does not weep any more fluid would that make a difference. I do not mind buying replacement modules.
     
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    Old used modules are not really safe. They won't last forever.
     
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    veggiecar Junior Member

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    I appreciate your help and input. What I am hearing you say is to not recondition the pack and maybe buy a new one? There is a lot of discussion on priuschat and other places on the internet where people do recondition their hybrid battery pack. Can you elaborate a little more so you can help me understand your position better. I certainly want to be safe and do the right thing. Thank you.
     
  7. Tombukt2

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    I'm assuming this is an original Toyota battery case and as far as you can tell an original Toyota battery with the silver Toyota sticker on top of the case so on and so forth when you open the case and saw what you saw on top of any of the modules did you notice any writing this is commonly done when shops balance and recondition batteries they'll write notations and values usually on top of the module in like a sharpie marker or a sharpie thin line pen If you didn't see any of this we can pretty much assume that at least it was not professionally refreshed could have been done at home whatever and so your nuts look good but what about the copper bus bars that that kind of mileage they should be turning black black green getting that wonderful patina copper gets I couldn't see your case so you had no water droplets no rust spots none of that on the outside of the case where lots of water can run in through the trunk area and drop right on the tray that has the battery under it get through some places around that and drop on the battery? So it sounds like you pretty much have an original battery that nobody's messed with and you are probably the first one so now just take the modules that have the runoff or leaking stuff coming out of them and separate them off to the side how many are there four six? Round up six modules from somebody that sells them already rebalanced ready to go and then you'll be stuck doing what's left of yours so you may want to start working on the ones you have find out if any of those are going to fail then you'll need to order the four six that are leaking plus the ones you've managed to fail and write off then you might have a decent idea of what you're going to be looking at of course now the car is down in the batteries apart I'm assuming you have other transportation.
     
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    Unless you KNOW that the used modules you are getting are from a working pack,
    you're playing wack a mole.
    And you say they are leaking..... certainly those cells are not good.
    The amount of money you'll spend trying to find good used one, is just not worth it.
    And they trying to balance them, with a small charger... ????

    At least get the Prolong system, or something similar.
    Or save your money and get NEW modules, or a whole new pack.

    It's your choice....

     
  9. veggiecar

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    I bought the car new and this is the first time the battery pack has been opened. The top of the case is clean. I cleaned one of the places that had the bluish liquid/gel and there were no cracks or pinholes in the modules case. If the liquid/gel was to have run down from the top there would have been some in crevices on the way down to the bottom where it collected. There was none. The liquid/gel is the essentially the same color as the corrosion on the bus bars. I have a thought that the blue green liquid/gel may have originated from the corrosion on the bus bars. If these modules were to leak, do we know the color of the liquid that would come out? I have no problem replacing all of the modules that have this liquid on them and unless I am sure that the modules are OK, I will not use them.

    A few more pictures to get a more complete idea of the situation.
    The battery pack still on the tray https://share.icloud.com/photos/098pow0d0MGDQOAHcuYo10Ykg
    The tray after the pack was removed https://share.icloud.com/photos/020eV23DOFGXmemNqYjgB3NwQ
    Bus bar and sensor wires https://share.icloud.com/photos/053Go9rYA8MlHIn8giMTi5dIw
    Another bus bar and sensor wires https://share.icloud.com/photos/035PSlM4sNfBgo-3LMbB5tvBw
    Pack out of the tray https://share.icloud.com/photos/0393mC4KgyEjjvqRA-F4Km-HQ
     
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    Testing strong acids with your tongue is probably not the smartest thing to do.

    SM-A536V ?
     
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    I do it all the damn time and if that helps me get to my grave a little faster than sticking around in this nonsense so be it We are okay with it I'm like right at 70 now so we'll see how that works out. By looking at all the pictures here your bus bars were seriously a hindrance they need to be cleaned in a rock tumbler or sit there with a brush and a grinder or whatever it is you do to make them nice and copper again just like the plumbing pipe you see at home Depot on the rack copper colored shiny ready to rock and roll these bus bars and all that there they are not anything like that That's your problem that was holding up voltage moving across all of those modules so on and so forth maybe causing overheating in the middle of the pack all the stuff you see people here talking about when they're playing with these batteries so there you go usually when you see big deposits where modules have leaked in the center of the pack from overheating is a good way this happens what you see in the middle of the pack when you split the rack of modules open is this white powdery looking battery acid like substance like what battery acid does when you drop it on the driveway and let it dry or on a piece of metal and let it dry becomes a white powdery substance You stick your finger in it and touch it to your tongue it tastes like electricity if you will not going to hurt you now you spit. So once that's all cleaned up you can even take those little metal ends the sensors and all the pieces that the nuts hold on to the bus bars and dip those in various and sundry cleaning solutions and get those nice and clean also or you could replace them this is why you buy a new battery for the 14-1600 at least your bus bars all the sensors and the modules are brand new not near 20 years old and you're good to go for another stretch just like you're coming out of now or you play the whack-a-mole game and all of that because you have more time than resources either way good on you for getting it done.
     
  12. veggiecar

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    I think what is going on is the following. I am working on the battery pack in a shed that is not air conditioned. The weather here was very humid and the pack was cold due to low outside air temp. I think that water condensed on the terminals which caused the drops of water that I was concerned about. I ran my fingers along the terminal post and all of them were wet. I touched my fingers to my to tongue and I am almost certain that it was water. As the weather has dried up and the humidity dropped, the liquid is no longer on the battery. Thanks for those that helped. If I find out something different, I will follow up with another post.
     
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