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2007 (JDM) Prius Maintenance. Also, I think I found the source of the foul smell.

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by Aloe, Jan 22, 2024.

  1. Aloe

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    Hello all,

    newb on here but I have been lurking in the background. I bought a used 2006 Prius RHD from Japan 2 years ago, it had about 32K miles and now at 33.5K. I have hardly driven it in the last year, about 300miles due to changed work circumstance. The car outwardly as well as the interior looks like it's maybe a year old, in other words, pristine. All fluids are toped up and 'look' good. The car is parked indoors.

    Seeing that I don't know the history of the car, I don't have a baseline on what kind of maintenance I need done. The immediate things I need is an oil change. I attempted to do this myself but the last quick lube place I took it to (about 1.5 years ago w synthetic blend) overtightened the oil drain bolt and I can't get it off with my regular tools. They also checked the transmission fluid and showed me a sample, they thought it looked ok (they being college aged kids). I can only imagine they also overtightened the fill bolt of the transmission.

    When I bought the car, the car does track straight, however the steering wheel is cocked maybe 5-10 degrees to the left. The car by law/requirement needed new tires installed after importation, which was done by the private dealer. It is slightly bigger than spec, but still 16".

    The other thing is that because I didn't drive it much in the last year, there is old fuel in the car, about 3/4 thank. I topped it up with new fuel recently after realizing fuel also goes bad. I plan to take it for a long drive to try to empty the tank and put fuel stabilizer and new fuel for the near future (after oil change).

    About a day after refueling (added 1/4 tank to full), I suddenly has this pungent smell on a subsequent drive the following day, it smelled more like fire sparkler sticks than sulfur/rotten eggs to me (do they smell the same I am unsure). The closest I could find while sniffing around the engine bay is the passenger front headlight, I had my nose on near the rear of the bulb with hood open, smell was faint but similar (this is a few days after the first and only incident of the smell). The other headlight didn't have any smell at the same distance (about a few inches). I have driven it twice on super short distance, basically from one parking spot to another but have not driven it at length to try to replicate the smell for the reason being that the car desperately needs an oil change first. Also the car has DRL installed as an import requirement (by the dealer), I mention this just in case it is electrical related smell. But lights and all are working fine.

    So I called a local mechanic last Friday and I mentioned the above and he will call me back on Monday but already said something along the lines of checking the fluids, going once over the vehicle and was clueless about the odor. He mentioned that an alignment is probably needed in addition to my oil change request.

    I am wondering what can I specifically ask the mechanic to check? What can I check myself? Like I mentioned, I can see the fluid levels under the hood, the pink looks pink, the brake fluid is lighter than honey color which is good AFAIK, the cabin filter is clean. The 12v battery is on a battery maintainer and there is no smell coming from it or the vent tube and is at 12.4v at terminal of the battery itself. I will take a look at the engine air filter soon. And yes, I will be changing the oil myself in the future at a once a year interval with synthetic.

    I am wondering if I should ask for a brake fluid chemistry check?
    Should I purchase and check the engine coolant quality myself with a pH paper tester, a volt meter and a hydrometer?

    I also noticed in my area, the local cabs are using Gen 2 Priuses. Should I approach them and see where they get their cars serviced and go there instead?
     
  2. Mendel Leisk

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    Ive just been dealing with an oil pan replacement, 30+ year vehicle with stripped oil pan drain bolt, plus gasket leaking. Undoubtedly had oil changes by a series of inexperienced quick lube employees. Not sure some dealerships are any better. I’d hope so, but times are tough; seems like a lot of businesses are cutting corners, quality control suffers.
     
  3. Aloe

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    So I just looked at my engine air filter, it's like new. The only thing I saw was that to the right side of the filter, the throttle body I assume, that looked dirty, coated in brown. I tried to take a picture but it didn't come out (using flash). I suspect the car is in excellent shape, but now it's in my hands and I am guessing I have to establish a baseline with the maintenance.

    I jacked up the car twice trying different tools to get the drain bolt off. I am going to have the mechanic do it and install a Valvomax, it's a fancy valve whereby after installation, it will be easy for me to just use my hands to open/close.

    I have never worked on cars before but I would like to learn. Unfortunately I live in communal housing, working on cars is not allowed, so whatever work I do it has to be done quickly.
     
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    A breaker bar wrench of some sort might help, some sort of wrench with a handle 15~18". Or 24: Or an impact. Hopefully you don't have stripped threads.

    I was dealing with grandson's beater Honda Civic, drain bolt threads were stripped, to the point it was impossible to torque the bolt, just kept turning. Then once broken loose, again it just kept turning, without backing out. Finally, by turning the bolt to unscrew while prying with a screwdriver (thank god for soft aluminum washer), I did manage to back it out.

    I replaced the oil pan and gasket, likely warranted, but after cleaning up the old pan, saw while the drain bolt threads where chewed up, the threads on the pan were in pretty good shape.
     
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    In regards to the first post, aside from the brake flush, there isn't a set time to do the other services. My low mileage car would never achieve any of those stated miles seeing that it is at 33k after 18 years, 2k miles in 2 years under my ownership. Are there time interval recommendations?
     
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    Toyota USA’s maintenance schedule never mentions brake fluid change. FWIW Toyota Canada was saying 48k kms (30k miles) or tri-yearly, whichever comes first.

    This was in the 2014 Prius schedule, that was their high-water mark for easy-to-read format: a table with kms/months columns and service rows. Not sure of their current stance. With the advent of 2016 (4th Gen) they ceased publishing any schedule, devolved to website/only, event-by-event format.
    Yes, in plain sight too: most if not all the service recommendations from Toyota stipulate miles OR months, whichever comes first. Especially once you’re well out of warranty, and if you’re ultra low usage, I think you should take the months criteria with a grain of salt.

    For example: Toyota Canada says to change our ‘10’s oil and filter every 8000 kms (5000 miles) or 6 months, whichever comes first. Our situation is come to much less driving now, under 5000 kms yearly.

    I have been sticking with the month’s stipulation, changing oil every spring and fall. After last spring’s oil change I was entering it in my maintenance log, and saw with reduced usage through winter, it’d barely been 1000 kms since previous oil change. I decided then it was time to go to “8000 kms or yearly, whichever comes first”, and have followed through, skipped my usual fall oil change.

    I do make a point to avoid short trips (pizza runs), get it fully warmed, combine errands, that sort of thing.
     
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    You sure? For my 2012 Prius Plug-In (and it seems most other Toyotas of that generation), it says change oil at 8000 km or 6 months, until 16000 km / 1 year, but then after that it's every 16000 km / 1 year. So, lately I get an oil change every year or even longer, since I only drive about 8000 km per year. And I haven't bothered avoiding any short trips. I just drive the car as needed.
     

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    No, Toyota Canada's policy (for 3rd gen) is always 6 months or 8000 km, whichever comes first. It is phrased in confusing manner: both "oil and filter service" and "maintenance service" include an oil and filter change.

    I got sucked in reading that at first, @Tideland Prius pointed out that vagary. Considering what's at stake, pretty poor presentation. You've got to hand it to them; don't think it would be possible to make it any more confusing...

    Each yellow highlight involves an oil/filter change:



    How are you managing to embed pics the old-fashioned way btw, javascript disable??

    You can confirm for your vehicle, with this "wonderful" interactive maintenance schedule web page, which is all Toyota Canada issues now:

    Maintenance Schedule - Toyota Canada
     
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    Hmm... Yeah, that's pretty confusing.

    Anyhow, I've been doing it every year or longer these days, probably around every 8000-10000 km or so, depending upon when I happen to take the car in. It seems with hybrids you could probably go longer since in general the oil quality isn't as bad after 8000 km as it is with pure ICE cars.

    And yeah, I've been turning off the JavaScript to post images. Pretty annoying.
     
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    Yeah it's confusing because the first 3 are the O&F service. Then the first full maintenance service at the 4th visit which is 24 months/32,000km. So the "every year" part is because now it's alternating between O&F and the maintenance service.

    Following the dots is much easier.
     
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    It would be much clearer if they excluded oil and filter change from "maintenance service", and showed "oil and filter service" at each column.
     
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    Thanks for the info. My manuals and even service history is in Japanese, and I don't have a handy Japanese person to translate for me. I didn't think of looking around for the English service interval manual.

    I was just thinking, for the coolant, would a hydrometer, Multimeter and pH test be sufficient to test if the coolant needs replacing? My novice answer would be no, otherwise why have a set interval, you can just run those test and find out. But I don't know, hence the question.

    Brakes: Will not servicing the brakes be a bad thing? Are there anything that will rust along the brake lines? Is there not a test for brake fluid? Keep in mind I'm doing like a tank of gas mileage a year.

    Also as for the oil drain bolt, I found a 7.5amp impact wrench for sale (used in new condition) or a 15" breaker bar.

    I ran the car again today, the sparkler stick smell is less but definitely coming from the air vents. I sniffed the engine bay and didn't notice anything. I forgot to sniff the Cat and exhaust.
     
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    So I think I found the source of the foul smell (smells like fire sparkler sticks burning) that occurred just that one time and a faint remnant of it on the inverter side front lights (my nose couldn't get any closer). My inverter pump is dead, AM2 fuse ok, no movement in the reservoir, no vibration on pump during ON and motor running mode. It's cool weather where I am and no codes and car runs fine.

    Not sure if I should make a new thread but my three question after extensive reading and YouTube are:
    1) Do I need to open the bleeder valve while emptying the coolant fluid when draining? The reservoir cap will be open.
    2) May I leave the car jacked up on just the inverter side or does it need to be level to fully drain?
    3) May I not just leave the bleeder valve open and run a tube to the reservoir tank while the pump is running while filling the coolant. I see lots of videos about repeatedly opening and closing the bleeder valve, why not just keep it open till all the air comes out?