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Safety steps before working on wire harness

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by AnotherPriusPerson, Feb 9, 2024.

  1. AnotherPriusPerson

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    I have a 2009 prius I bought used. It's had some weird issues but I've been pretty lucky so far.

    It's had some throttle body error codes come up. I thought it was the ECU but I took it to get professionally diagnosed to make sure. Turns out the wire harness connection to the throttle body (and nowhere else) was damaged and replaced at some point. Poorly.

    There's no crimping, no soldering, barely anything covering it up at all. Someone just twisted the wires together and called it a day. They quoted me $3K to replace the entire wiring harness over that one connection.

    Obviously I chose to buy a secondhand wiring harness of the same model and just replace that one part myself. I already have the second wiring harness and all the tools I need to cut out and replace that one section of wire. I could theoretically replace the entire wiring harness with the used one I bought, but that seems like a monumental task that would also introduce more points of failure.

    So! Before working on the car, I need to know if I need to disconnect just the 12v battery, or also the hybrid battery. And while I did my best to be informed on what steps I need to take, any general tips or common mistakes to avoid would also be appreciated.
     
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    I would probably disconnect the 12 volt just because main thing you want to do is make sure the remotes away from the car and it doesn't try to be turned on or anything else It's completely off and stays that way while you have the wires undone looking down around the throttle body I mean anyway you can get it down to its lowest point of connections obviously but you'll work that out by what you bought and where you're going to install and there's a bunch of ways to join the wires or shouldn't really be a big deal You can even buy a aftermarket plug male and female and all of that they make some pretty instantaneous ones now that can take up to oh I don't know usually 12 to 24 connectors or wires or what have you.
     
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    Does gen 2 have an "engine" harness as well as an "engine room main" harness, like gen 3 does, where the "main" one goes all 'round the engine compartment and through the firewall, while the "engine" one is just kinda draped over the engine?

    Replacing the "main" one is more of a monumental task, but the "engine" one might not be so bad. If I didn't have a spare, I'd probably just repair the damaged wires and call it a day, but if I had the whole thing already, maybe I'd just swap it.

    Most annoying part is usually the clips that hold it in place. Just about the time you get the hang of releasing them, it switches to a different kind of clip.
     
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    The gen 2 has a wire harness that's all through the engine. That seemed like a lot to tackle over one connection.

    So I replaced it today. Used crimp connectors, heat shrink, electrical tape, whole nine. I don't foresee any future problems with that connection. Easily a step up from the ghetto way it was set up before.

    I reconnected the battery, ran and tested the car before I really secured and closed everything up and then again afterwards. Seemed to be running fine with no error codes so I at least didn't make things any worse. The problem was always intermittent and unpredictable, though. Here's hoping this was the problem and I don't need to tackle the ECU next.
     
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    A lot of the clips along the length of the harness have a pair of opposed jaws, that secure by pushing through a square opening, locking on the far side.

    Someone here found (when accessible) reaching ‘round back of the clip and pressing the business end of a 10 mm hex socket against the jaws, it compressed them enough that with a pull on the front the jaws would slip out of the opening, releasing the clip.

    I’d suppose a 10 mm ID tube of some sort, say a plumbing fitting, could work similarly.

    when the back of the clip is not readily accessible, then a thin bladed screw driver blade (or pen knife tip) slipped behind the front flange of the clip and pressed against the jaw, may allow the jaws to release, one side at a time.

    and some will release with just a moderate yoink, especially if they’ve been pulled off in past.

    for clips securing electrical connectors into sockets, there’s often a place to press on the side of the connector that when pressed will “theoretically” lever a single-side locking jaw out of it’s pocket. In reality an ineffective lever, coupled with the overall friction tenacity of all the pins, can make these connectors a bear to disconnect. Again, a slim screw driver or pen knife blade can help, to simultaneously lift the jaw out of it’s pocket, and lever the whole connector up and off the pins.

    Take it easy with this method though, to avoid snapping the jaw off.
     
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    Yes it's just like that. The engine harness is for the ICE only, then goes through the firewall to the ECM with a connector or two for the main dash harness.

    For me it would depend on the condition of the existing harness. I would likely just splice a replacement connector on if possible.

    Buying a used harness can more cost effective than getting several connectors from Toyota. I think a crank position connector was something like $60 or more, while a complete harness from ebay was less than $100.

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    In case anyone wanted an update, everything looks good! Zero issues since I spliced the connection in and in all the driving since.

    While people are correct to point to the ECU as a frequent cause, if you're ever getting error codes for the throttle body, make sure you check the wired connection to the throttle body. I didn't even think to check and the wires being messed up would've been obvious. While my issue was because of a botched patch job, wires can also get eaten through by pests.

    Error codes I was getting while the car was stalling to start this whole adventure:
    P0121
    P0222
    P0A0F

    I got quoted a cost of $3K to fix it for parts and labor. I ended up spending around $170 for a spare wire harness from ebay($100) and the tools necessary to fix it($70). The time to replace was an afternoon because I was being very cautious with every step. Plus the previous splice job had the wires cut down far enough to make it annoying to connect the new wires without unhooking the entire wire harness. A second pair of hands made crimping much easier and faster.

    Here are the tools I used:

    Crimper and wire cutter.
    These were cheap but very sturdy, easy to use, and had everything I needed.


    Butt connectors with heat shrink. Colors match the crimper.
    The wires I crimped using these had zero wiggle room and were extremely secure. Very satisfied.


    Extra heat shrink.


    I used standard electrical tape. But also used wire harness tape over it.


    There are plenty of ways to cut through heat shrink and tubing, but I tried a seam ripper and it was very useful.


    I didn't get a professional heat gun to heat shrink. Cheap, butane lighters did the job just fine.
     
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    Okay I tried linking the tools I got in multiple different ways, but none of them seem to be loading properly. I tried viewing this page on several different devices so I don't think it's just me.

    Anyone know how to fix this? These aren't even affiliate links, just normal links to the items.
     
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    You posted Amazon links. What happens to those is a two-step deal:

    1) When you make your post, the PriusChat forum software likes to look through it for any bits that look like Amazon links, and turn those into [media=amazon]...[/media] BBcode as it saves the post.

    2) Any time you view a post containing such [media=amazon] BBcode, that BBcode gets replaced by an iframe and a blob of JavaScript to track what Amazon links you're looking at and show you advertisements.

    When such a post is viewed by anyone using security settings that restrict JavaScript, those blobs generally don't show up at all, just a certain amount of blank space.

    It's been covered before, such as in this thread, which demonstrates some workarounds.
     
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