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New Nexcell Battery + P3000

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by blue_prius_07, Feb 16, 2024.

  1. blue_prius_07

    blue_prius_07 Junior Member

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    Hi All,

    I replaced the original HV battery in late 2023 with a new Nexcell Lithium Ion unit. The new battery was easy to install and worked great (was seeing about +10MPG) for about 2 months. Then I started getting a P3000 code, that I cant overcome. Summary of events below:

    • Drove vehicle about 10 miles from home and parked. Upon return to vehicle there was no power at all so I climbed back to the 12V compartment and must have rattled something when grabbing for the compartment because everything powered back on.
    • Drove the vehicle about 2 miles away and left for 1 hour.
    • Returned to vehicle and drove back 2 miles, popped rear hatch and disassembled the 12v compartment. Noticed there was no bolt holding terminal to post. Drove to hardware store and installed new bolt in parking lot. On the drive home the vehicle threw the red triangle and went into limp mode (no HV battery).
    • Had vehicle towed back to my residence where its been since. Read code and got P3000.
    Steps taken to rectify:

    • New 12V battery
    • Cut out HV battery fan connections and reconnect with wire nuts
    • New No.1 and No.2 Wiring harnesses (all new bus bars)
    • New (ebay) HV ECU
    After all that, i still get the P3000 code after about 5 seconds of the vehicle being in "ready" mode. The battery engages, and then clicks off and throws the code. The new battery appears to be in good working condition with 16v coming from each module, shown in Dr. Prius app and measured via multi meter. I don't have access to Techstream so I can't get the -xxx INF code.

    I've read just about every P3000 code thread I can find here and elsewhere, any other thoughts? Photos attached. (please ignore the Elf on the Shelf that slipped down into the photo frame).
     

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  2. JC91006

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    I think you need to find a proper code reader to help point you to the right direction.

    I can't really understand why you replaced/modify the parts you did. Were you just guessing at it? The splicing of the fan wiring, never heard of anyone doing that.

    Whenever you put in something not original, you can potentially put in a bad part. But I'm guessing the HV battery might not be an issue, since it was in the car for 2 months. Also the Ebay ECU, that's not guaranteed to be good. This all probably started from the 12v battery not installed correctly.
     
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    Open up the battery ECU and look inside at where the voltage sensor harness connects to the circuit board. If there's thick corrosion growing on that first pin, that's your problem. I've bought more than one Ebay ECU that had that problem and one of them had a warranty seal the seller put on it so I couldn't look when it was a P3000 soon as it arrived.

    The other problem could be that you didn't tighten down one of the bus bar bolts tight enough, which will create lots of heat and damage that module.

    But if the bolts are tight and the ECU checks out: There's a Project Lithium free upgrade to V2.5 that you qualify for. (even if you get the P3000 solved). They will also test the capacity of your cells and replace bad modules or the whole pack under warranty if they find anything more than one defective cell. Just email them and then they will send you a shipping label.


    He strives to have a 24 hour turnaround time on this work once the package arrives. He'll also ask if you can help chip in for shipping if possible because he's still a relatively small business.
     
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    The hybrid battery fan wiring has a white plug with four wires that gets wet and corrodes when a Gen2 Prius has a roof leak. If gives an error code for irregular battery fan voltage, so you just eliminate the plug and splice the wires. It's a quick 5 minute repair that Toyota Stealerships use as an excuse to sell a new hybrid battery, then when that doesn't fix it they sell you a new fan... Then maybe they replace the plug, but depends.
     
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    I would jump on the free upgrade. Word on the street is you need it for several reasons.
     
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    Dr Prius is a handy app but very limited. Sometimes it doesn't read codes correctly.

    P3000 is set in the Hybrid Control ecu, and basically means "hey, the High Voltage battery ecu has some codes, you should go over there and check it out".

    So you need a more capable scantool. Here's a thread that reviews several apps and devices. Some can scan all systems for codes, data, and more. Most cost less than the parts you put in.

    https://priuschat.com/index.php?posts/3290690

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  7. blue_prius_07

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    Thanks for the quick replies all. I've opened up the original HV ECU and it looks about as clean as the day it was manufactured (see photos). I've checked all the bus bar connections (multiple times as I've read in other threads) and those are all tight.

    The modules I'm working with are the V2.5, he replaced my pack just after I got the original 2.0 pack (it was before I even got to the install process). J from Nexcell has indicated he would be open to me sending the modules back for testing which may be my next step here. Even if they all look OK in the Dr. Prius app, could something be wonky with a battery module?

    Thanks for the link to those scanner apps, i somehow missed that thread in my exhaustive searching of this forum the past month and a half, I've ordered the AP200 scanner so I can grab the INF code its producing. https: //a.co/d/byQYJVl (this is the one)
     

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    Quick update: I received the Autel AP200 scan tool (thanks overnight Amazon guy!), and got it all setup this morning. This scanner is much more full featured then the Dr. Prius app or the other OBDII app i was previously using. (Thanks mr_guy_mann for pointing me in the correct direction). The HV control is still throwing the P3000 (can't seem to find the INF?), but the HV Battery is now showing a P0A95 (high voltage fuse). I assume the clearing the latter will solve the former.

    I pulled the HV plug (orange guy that goes in and down) and tested the fuse - its good. Makes a nice beep sound when tested with the multimeter. I clicked, and pushed until i thought i might crack or break something, still no dice. Same code. The connector from the battery (wire frame #1 is new), and all the connections look clean.

    Any thoughts?
     
  9. blue_prius_07

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    Another update:

    I completed the attached service manual section and everything checks out good:

    • Plug terminals are good
    • battery plug is in good working order (i have two and tested both)
    After step 3 is replace battery ECU ASSY, which I did with the EBAY part. Could test again with the original ECU?

    • HV fuse also in good working order
    Next step in flow chart is to replace the service plug grip - but unsure how that's going to help since it all seems to be in good working condition?

    The Detection Condition Reads:

    Voltage between VBB9 and VBB10 terminals is below standard in spite of interlock switch being engaged (1 trip detection logic)

    What is the voltage between the two supposed to be? How can I read my actual voltage difference? Is this a battery issue?
     

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    If there is any problem with the High Voltage BATTERY ecu (the one in your pics), it will be oxidation or corrosion of the pins in the orange connector.

    Just to be clear, P3000 is set in the HYBRID CONTROL ecu. The INF for that isn't so important as the first thing you have to do is check the HV BATTERY ecu for codes.

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    I would see if the P0A95 has any freezeframe data. Specifically the block voltages.

    The code description says that the ecu sees low voltage for the block that has the service plug (in the middle).

    So yes, you could have a problem with the battery. A high resistance connection with / in the involved battery module could cause a voltage drop , but only when the ecu tries to go ready and actually puts load on the battery.

    I would use Dr Prius to clear codes then monitor block voltages while trying to ready up.

    Get some data and then we can see if (very careful) live testing of HV battery is needed.

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  12. blue_prius_07

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    Ok, so i was able to grab the Freeze Frame data from the Autel AP200 for that code - it shows the #10 block at approx -8 volts while all others are around the 16ish V mark.

    With that info hand, is there still info in the Dr. Prius app that would be beneficial?
     

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    Dr Prius is handy to visually monitor the voltages, and it can record that data.

    Before doing any voltage testing on the HV battery, I would reach out to Project Lithium and see what they make of that freezeframe data.

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    Update:

    Figure i should provide an update on this for anyone visiting here down the road.

    The issue was with the Nexcell module having a defect from the factory. There was a connector that had come loose inside the two sided module. The Project Lithium team sent me a new battery immediately and after install the vehicle is operating again as normal.

    Thanks for everyone who helped me troubleshoot through this!
     
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