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Electric motor running (near the fuel tank area) every night.

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  1. iskoos

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    I started hearing electric motor sound that lasts about 5 minutes. And that is every night.
    I kind of guessed it was Evap leak check but did some research. It seems that's what it is.
    I was wondering why I started hearing this after 6 years of ownership. The answer was that because I have never garaged my car till recently. It would be left in the driveway overnight.

    Nowadays, I keep it in the garage, and I work in my garage every night. And I hear the noise past or around the midnight hours. It lasts about 5 minutes. And when you listen to the electric motor sound, you can tell the 12 volt battery slowly draining. One day, I wanted to check battery voltage and it was below 12volt toward the end of the 5-minute test cycle. :eek:

    Is this damn test necessary every freaking day?
     
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    Yes, you figured out correctly it's the evap leak test.

    From the description in the repair manual, the leak detection pump is running all through parts B, C, D, and E of the test, so it looks like seven minutes and ten seconds plus however long part C runs. Part C could take up to 15 minutes, so it seems like the longest time you could hear the pump run would be twenty-two minutes and ten seconds worst case.

    EPA probably does require the car to test itself for evap leaks regularly. I don't think the car's ECM operates a time-of-day clock, much less a calendar, but just does simple checks like "has the car been off for five hours" and "how many hours has it been since I did this last?"

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    Probably all plugins make these motor sounds. Our volt & Pacifica plugin both occasionally have electric pump sounds going for a few minutes.
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    Doesn't even have to be a plugin. The test being run is on the system that captures vapor emissions from a tank of gasoline. Lots of cars have tanks of gasoline.
     
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    I generally get home around 7-8pm. So, hearing it around or past the midnight hours is consistent with what you say. About 5 hours after I shut it off.
    My worry is that the source of this test is solely the 12v battery. And you guys know the 12v battery is very small on Prius. I wouldn't worry about it if it was 100 Ah battery, but it is not. Draining the 12v battery like that every night will be an issue. When I checked it the other day, it was showing 11.8 something immediately after the test. After 10-15 minutes, it was barely around 12.20v That is a very low voltage. I charged the battery that night. My 12v battery is about 2 years old. It is a Duralast AGM; made specifically for Prius. I believe it is just a 40 Ah battery.
     
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    The capacity of the 12 volt battery and the way the evap self test works are choices made by the same engineers, and every Prius has been testing its evap system that way since 2010....
     
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    Well, I am not going to go into that debate. I just put out what I observed. Too much extra load for that small battery in my opinion especially if it happens several times a week.
     
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    You could always buy a more powerful aux battery - in lieu of the oem.
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    I don't think the system tests every night- it should only trigger on days you've driven. Theoretically, your drive time will have replenished the electricity used during the prior test. The 12v battery maintenance system in a Prius is pretty smart, but it can still be foiled by not enough driving.

    Even the small Prius battery has successfully managed this times millions of Priuseses for over two decades now.

    Timed evap checks have increasingly been a thing in gas-burning cars since the late 90s and are now ubiquitous.
     
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    I did once. I used high-capacity lead-acid battery but then I couldn't stop the corrosion (greenish stuff) on the negative post. It got so bad that I ended replacing that battery with a recommended AGM one.
     
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    Well, it does it once per drive cycle. I drive it every day. And yes, it replenishes the charge used for sure.
    You would understand what I mean if you were to hear how that electric motor sound changes with the voltage drop during that test.
    What I measured was a bit over 5 minutes total. Chapman says above the test lasts around 7 minutes. And the worst case, it could go up to 22 minutes. God forbid, there won't be anything left in my battery if it lasts 22 minutes.
     
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    A person could conceivably put a logging ammeter inline with the leak detection pump, and find out just how many amp-hours or fraction thereof to chalk up to that seven-to-twenty-minute test happening one time five hours after shutdown, and see whether that is large or small in comparison to the other 24✕7 loads accumulating all the while the car is off.
     
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    I recall it was much less, 20 seconds at most. Could be the test is longer, but more-or-less silent??
     
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    See post #2; the pump runs through stages B, C, D, and E of the test.
     
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    We aren't talking about the same thing. This test takes at least 5 minutes.
    And it is not silent :)
     

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    If the gen 3 manual is to be believed, it might even be at least seven minutes and ten seconds.

    And it sounds like a little bitty vacuum pump running. Which it is.