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Ukraine frontline: The killer drones changing warfare

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  1. bwilson4web

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    I finally learned what FPV, First Person View, means. It is a drone with a video camera and data link to the operator.

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    Actually, what the Houthi's are doing is far more historic...

    Despite years of trying Saudis and US have failed to defeat them and it's potentially way more historic than what the defeat of the US in Vietnam was or what's happening with drones in Ukraine.

    Not only have they learned to take over much of Yemen and defend their military positions without revealing their locations after years and years of surviving bombings, they're also the first group of rebels to use advanced missiles that only 1st world countries have had access to.

    They use large numbers of fake miliatry postions and fake missiles made of cardboard to create more targets every time they get bombed rather than fewer.

    This is way more than just an Iran proxy too! This is what's happened due to the advancement of drone technology and its having a huge impact on the global economy because they are fighting for Palesinte by destroying and capturing ships off the their coast, which is an essential shipping route that the world economy depends on keeping open: Tesla halts Berlin production over Houthi Red Sea crisis, POLITICO

    Many US soldiers have lost their lives due to their advanced warfare tactics and the corporate media is under orders to enforce a media blackout on their many victories. For example... This is whay you get when you ask Google AI why the Houthis are historic:

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    I encourage everyone to learn all you can about them... When history looks back on this time period they're going to be way more dominant in the influencing the course of history than US hegemony currently wants you to know: Houthi movement - Wikipedia

    Here's some biased US military analysis of them: The Houthi War Machine: From Guerrilla War to State Capture, Combating Terrorism Center at West Point
     
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    interesting. The skillset for flying a FPV drone has been honed by fast based FPS Video gaming. Some The racing drones can fly over 100mph. Which makes them practically impossible for a human based Small Arms Fire to take it down. Metal nets make sense for defense but once a tank location has been established the fire and move method goes out the window. Tanks had the armour advantage over humans and APC's but are slow compared to a drone. I think we will see a growing use of EMP Bombs as a defense method. Its a a shame they need so much power to be effective.
     
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    As military capabilities advance, the need for diplomacy and peace treaties becomes more and more important. The post cold war hegemony of the US is not long for this world if we continue to think that these technologies are exclusive to our military rather than the enemies. That's what the Houthis are currently teaching our global economy, as well as why the US is so desperate to keep Houthi's many victories out of the news.
     
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    The blackout enforcers let this out about their orders?
     
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    drones are frightening
     
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    First casualty in war is the truth. I enjoy studying conflicting reports of what's going on in combat operations and try to figure out what's BS.

    If you use a feedreader so you get the earliest news reports when they come out and then you use your BS detector to see how the story has changed in future articles you can get a sense of it.
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    For example this boat, (so they claim) which looks like many other boats on the coast of Yemen was determined by the US military to be smuggling missiles. So in a night raid with multiple combat boats with multiple helicopters and drones they did a routine boarding of the ship.

    "Centcom described the capture of the missile components as “the first seizure of lethal, Iranian-supplied advanced conventional weapons … to the Houthis since the beginning of Houthi attacks against merchant ships in November 2023.” Two US Navy Seals declared dead after raid to seize Iranian weapons bound for Houthis | US military | The Guardian

    In the initial reports there was a battle that took place during this operation and two Navy Seals were lost track of and never found. But then in later news coverage there suddenly was no battle (likely no missiles either) and there was an elaborate news story about how one of the Navy Seals slipped and fell into the water when he was trying to board the boat and another Navy Seal jumped into the water to save him and they were never seen again.

    How in the world can they claim that with all their abilities and gear Navy Seals weren't equipped with multiple ways to be located if they fell into the water, especially if protocol required a second seal to dive in after them?

    I don't know how well calibrated your BS detector is, or how much you know about how advanced Navy Seals training and equipments is. But taking over a little boat like this with multiple helicopters and drones and multiple combat boats supporting the operation, it makes no sense at all that they could just entirely vanish. Navy Seals don't lose track of each other in the middle of a routine boat seizure operation just because one of them lost their balance and fell into the water and another one who tried to rescue them vanished too.

    Obviously something horrible happened to those two soldiers and they made up an absurd story about an accidental drowning of two navy seals because they claim their gear was heavy even though they had plenty of air support, but it made it sound like an accident rather than what really happened which probably something that would of been very damaging to the US such as a hostage situation.

    And because there was never any reports of what happened to boat or evidence produced for what was found on the boat, or what happened to the people driving the boat, it's possible that they took out the boat with a missile once they knew the Navy Seals had been captured. There's plenty of contingency plans of the military making sacrifices like this in order to cover their butts when things go wrong and they're compromised in a way that can be very damaging. The whole claim of we "leave no one behind" is BS propaganda.

    And of course I can't prove anything, but from what I've studied about the Houthis, the US and Saudis too often seem to have everything go wrong when they try to defeat them for over a decade now. Houthis are fast learners and their tactics always seem to be one step ahead of the attacks planned against them.

    There's also so many ways information can leak out and the narrative can't be controlled in war these days... It's a fascinating subject to study if you know where to look.
     
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    Especially Elon's drones...
     
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    Especially to birds.
     
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    Sounds like a great solution for airports and golf courses. Parking garages?

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    The Houthis are running the risk that they will piss of the wrong people and wake up one day to find that western Yemen is being depopulated.
     
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    The real enemy of truth is bias.

    The Houthi are merely acting as an arm of the Persian Foreign Legion.
    The truth is that they do not have much of an organic aerospace industry - or, much of any industry at all, really - although they do assemble some of their arms on site.
    They're getting their merch from SOMEWHERE.... ;)

    I do not see much of a threat to their existence from the West or from the House of Saud.
    They really do not have anything worth invading them for except for some seaside property.
    Like Somalia, they will have to be managed to keep sea lanes open.