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Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by bwilson4web, Jul 11, 2024.

  1. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    Blue start point, when I started driving at 16:
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    Yeap, the Baby Boomer contribution to the planet temperature.

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    Levity is fine by me, but I'll use your graph in a different way. Mid-1930's had remarkably bad climatic conditions in US. But it was not global; at global scale the following decade was hotter. Quasiperiodic ocean sloshes (ENSO, PDO, AMO and there are a few others) could not have done this individually.

    But maybe in combination? I honestly do not know. I have not read retrospectives on dustbowl climate, but it still sticks out at this regional scale.

    Superb climate models (that I am confident can be developed) would simulate things like this. Current climate models are not there yet.

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    Secondly, June month max Ts are graphed. As one goes deep like this (compared to annual averages), the range of variation increases. We could talk about why this is, but enough for now to say it is a property of probability functions and not just of climate data. This graph tells me that range of variation was larger in the pre-Bob-driving era. +CO2 is having effects beyond +T, and these are not often considered. More often we hear that climate is becoming more variable. In some ways it is becoming less variable. Complicated stuff.

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    Thirdly, there have been changes in how various factors including max T have been measured over time. Readers may have heard of that as basis for climate-change 'hoax'. Which it most assuredly is not. However, methods changes are best done with intercalibration periods happening before the handoff. In some areas I know this happens, others it does not happen, and others unknown. For max T, this may persist as a potential contributor to smaller range of variation recently. That would require some digging.

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    Wuz gon na talk about how max T is 'done', Stevenson screens, and other things fascinating to me. But this thread is about Bob's VW bus, which I guess had magical properties that did not disappear when he switched to hybrids and then EVs. Wow man.
     
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    looks like my electro cardiogram
     
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    Stevenson screens

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    Were invented by the father of author Robert Louis Stevenson. Sorry, can't help myself sometimes.
     
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    no apologies necessary
     
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    Doubtful unless they stuck electrodes to your....
    Oh I'll not say it
     
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    trust me, i saw the graph myself
     
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    I prefer this visual:
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    it was cold a few centuries ago :cool:
     
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    Nice in Dixie:
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    Lot's of interesting conversations about the baby boomers these days

    How the baby boomers — not millennials — screwed America - Vox
    "The boomers, according to Gibney, have committed “generational plunder,” pillaging the nation’s economy, repeatedly cutting their own taxes, financing two wars with deficits, ignoring climate change, presiding over the death of America’s manufacturing core, and leaving future generations to clean up the mess they created."

    I am a Baby Boomer , I don't know that I disagree with that description- although some positive contributions are left out.

    Boomers' Greed Ruined Economy for Gen Z, Millennials - Business Insider

    Baby Boomers Are Ruining the Entire World - Business Insider

    ‘America is going bankrupt’: Elon Musk issues dire warning as interest on US debt was equal to 76% of income tax collected in June — and is expected to exceed $1.14 trillion this year (msn.com)
    "Musk added a comment expressing his dismay: “I am glad 76% of the income tax I pay goes directly to important things like interest on past government incompetence.”
    "In June 2024, the U.S. government spent $140.238 billion on interest for Treasury debt securities. For context, the government collected $184.910 billion in individual income taxes that same month.
    This means that an amount equivalent to 76% of June's individual income tax revenue was used solely for interest payments on the national debt, not including principal repayment."

    Jamie Dimon and Ray Dalio sound the alarm on soaring US government debt | CNN Business
    "The chorus of voices warning about the dangers of record US government debt is growing louder.
    In the past 24 hours, JPMorgan (JPM) CEO Jamie Dimon and Ray Dalio, founder of the world’s biggest hedge fund, have weighed in with concerns about America’s debt pile."


    Our National Debt is a disgrace.

    U.S. National Debt Clock : Real Time
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