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    Ok so here goes first time post as I recently just got forced into buy a prius for my wife.
    The prius in question is a 2015 prius v with ~160k miles

    We purchased the vehicle a couple months back after our son totalled out 2012 tsx , my wife found this car at a local smaller car lot and fell in love with it.

    There was a CEL on whe. We purchased it it was for an 02 sensor which I quickly replaced and all was well for a few weeks. Then the CEL came on again for a misfire on cylinders 3,4 .... so the weekend came around and I decided to pull the plugs for and inspection all seemed in fairly poor condition and since it was a small pain to get to them I decided to replace the coils as well hopefully to not just have to do it in another week or if it didn't resolved the codes...
    The car drove fine for around another week no CEL then again with misfire on 1 and 4 so that weekend I rechecked all the plugs and decided to check the intake since it's a know issue on them and replace the pvc valve while I was there pull intake cleaned as best as I could since it was pretty bad used 3 cans of parts cleaner, and decided to replace the injectors since the ones in it looked to be original from factory. The shake on start up was gone and no lights for a fee more days and again misfire codes... I can't remember the cylinders this time... so after more research here on the forum decided come the weekend to check the egr pipe,valve,cooler.



    There was alot of carbon build upto soaked everything minus the electronic connectors etc in berrymans cleaners and it did a wonderful job cleaning everything rinsed with ro/di water then allowed toa ir dry for 2 days and painfully reassembled everything.

    Now it has developed a "sputter" as I'm gonna call it when you barely touch the accelerator, and after 20-30 mins running throws misc cylinder misfire codes all different... I have un hooked the egr system plug cleared codes and the only code it throws of coarse is for the egr system... but no misfires no sputtering runs amazing...

    I ordered a new egr valve, my thinking is maybe there's something wrong with the magnetic part of the egr valve causing issues but I'm at my whits end trying to figure this thing out any help or shops people can recommend columbus ohio would be greatly appreciated.
     
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    These are pics before and after cleaning egr valve
     

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    General! We have fired the parts cannon and are out of ammunition! But the enemy is still advancing and seems to be in full force!

    Simply block the egr flow to eliminate egr. Egr rarely causes misfires anyway and causes rough idle only if stuck open.

    95% head gasket. Even without obvious coolant loss, with negative combustion gas in coolant and or with negative leak down test.

    Dual view borescope is the weapon of choice.
     
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    If and when you do the head gasket, do a full EGR clean as well. See first two links in my signature (on a phone turn it landscape to see signatures).
     
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    were the 2015 models prone to HG failures? I thought that was solved by 2015 model year?
     
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    the theory goes that they got new piston and ring design, so less egr build up. but it still needs to be cleaned.
    or if you believe toyota, it's a coolant pump software issue.
    or if you believe some posters here, it's the 10k oil changes.
    or if you believe the car care NUT, it's the acidic coolant and toyotas lack of coolant change recommendation frequency
     
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    Gasketmasters latest videos recommend preemptive hg changes on all gen3s and rebuilt once they blow (“in stock”).

    Rebuilt gets you another 150k miles with a better hg (even from Toyota), better pistons, rings and probably the better intake and egr valve. There is no doubt the gen3 low tension rings cause oil burning or excessive oil burning which multiplies carbon buildup and preignition.

    Many 2007-15 Toyota models including Camry, Corolla, RAV4, Solera, Matrix and Scion also were oil burners with low tension rings but only Prius and a low volume Camry hybrid had a thermal cycling Atkinson cycle engine.
     
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    Just editorial:
    Gen 4 fixed the EGR system "shortcomings", but had the misfortune of Exhaust Heat Recover system failures, leaking coolant, this time just into the exhaust, but with protracted neglect could also lead to head gasket failure. More than a few were also misdiagnosed, mechanics seeing (EHR) coolant loss and changing head gasket.

    Gen 4 press release, with "revised" EGR system mention, attached:
     

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    The press release does mention "new EGR system with cooler" as a bullet point. The gen 4 adopted a "catalyzed EGR" system, reflecting industrywide research that was being conducted and published during the gen 3 development years.
     
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    Translation: they connected the EGR system past the catalytic converter, instead of before it. Presumably with the aim of having less carbon in the system. They also more or less doubled the cross-sectional area of the cooler.
    Just running a few of the prototype gen 3's, say for 200K miles, and they would have seen the excess carbon build-up in EGR system. And the runaway oil consumption due to "low tension" rings. And likely blown head gaskets.
     
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    The "translation" may not be necessary; the published engineering literature, which came from the research being conducted industrywide, kind of covers it.

    Moving to catalyzed EGR changes the chemical constituents of the exhaust gas and changes its effects on combustion; that was a significant area of the research.

    The increased cross-sectional area of the cooler and the rest of the plumbing follows directly from the lower pressure of the exhaust gas past the cat, and what cross-sectional area is needed to obtain the intended flow at that lower pressure.

    I have not said anything here that Mendel hasn't seen before.
     
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    Still, 3rd gen EGR system will be near-completely clogged by 200K miles. 4th gen system with over 300K, just a light dusting*. That's engineering advance for sure.

    * reported by @jerrymildred, from work experience at Tampa Hybrid.