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  1. hill

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    & that's not the case with the ICE?
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    ICE, hybrids, PHEV, and BEVs all accomplish the same goal, transportation, with different operational scenarios. Some people can adapt and others won't. For me, the reasons in descending order:
    • BEVs are the cheapest to operate from lower fuel costs and maintenance.
    • PHEVs are a short-range BEV with the long distance capabilities on ICE
    • hybrids (Toyota) are twice as efficient per mile as an ICE
    • ICE better than not-ICE
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    That's not always true as it's an oversimplification.

    While everyone's driving ranges and styles and all different, if you take a true-cost-to-own calculator EV still aren't always the cheapest to own and operate even in areas where "fuel" costs are cheaper on an EV. For an example, here are the numbers when I plug in my ZIP code into Edmunds TCO:

    New:
    1. Nissan Versa S (manual transmission): $33,900
    2. Prius $34,400
    3. Toyota Corolla hybrid: $34,800
    4. Nissan Leaf S: $42,500
    5. Tesla Model 3 standard range: $54,200

    Used 2020:
    1. Nissan Leaf S: $26,000
    2. Nissan Versa S (manual transmission): $34,000
    3. Toyota Corolla hybrid: $36,600
    4. Prius Prime: $36,600
    5. Prius: $37,600
    6. Tesla Model 3 standard range: $43,800
    7. BMW i3 w/range-extender: $56,700
    8. BMW i3 wo/range-extender: $45,200
    Now, I'm sure there are case scenarios that someone may save more money in a Tesla than in a Nissan Versa. But generally EV's are more costly to own and operate, not cheaper to own and operate. The exception is a used Nissan Leaf. Of course that car doesn't go very far on a charge and doesn't have active battery cooling. I know it wouldn't work for me, not for that price.
     
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    Electric cars seem to be a poor answer to environmental concerns and may even be more expensive to own after total cost is included - insurance, initial purchase price, skyrocketing electric cost in many areas, potential repair cost etc.
    There has to be a better answer to our transportation issues !


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    Yes it is, and no it isn’t.
    Bob specifically said “For me”.

    He was sharing his personal experience and use case.

    PriiPrii is the one who generallized that EVs were inconvenient ‘in general’.

    Bob and I realize the experience is different for each person.
    PriiPrii apparently doesn’t.

    I am another person for whom the BEV is increadibly convenient.
    The fueling cost, for me, is increadibly low (1/10th that of a 60mpg gas car).
    The BEV has also been my best road trip car ever.

    None of this means any of these will be the case for everyone.

    For some, none of these may apply, for others all will, and others may have some of the benefits.