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Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by mikefocke, Aug 9, 2024 at 5:56 PM.

  1. sylvaing

    sylvaing Senior Member

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    MKB reviews won't increase the sales of the Lexus EV, that's for sure. It won't help tank Toyota like his review helped tank Fisker but it sure won't help its sales...


     
  2. bisco

    bisco cookie crumbler

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    i'd venture to say that if he bought it, he loves it. not because he has owners bias, but because he (most likely?) knew the price and range/charging speed issues.
    it's like the bolt. slow charging speed, but you should now that going in. great commuter car, and for those that do travel long distances, it doesn't bother them.

    is the camry pricey? i have always considered it reasonable for what you get.
     
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  3. Trollbait

    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The Bolt though was almost $20k less. That goes a long way to accepting a car's shortcomings.

    If the bZ4X had come out 5 years earlier, we wouldn't as critical of it. Since it didn't, others got to set the criteria it would be judged against, and it is like Toyota completely ignored what those others did when they designed the bZ4X. They did the same thing with the gen4 Prius Prime. It had 4 seats like the first Volt, and lost a lot of cargo space to the battery like the C-max Energi. Both PHEVs that came out a generation ago, and Toyota fans were shocked the public didn't forget their reactions to those for the Prius.
    I think Toyota was less likely to have incentives, which can mean a bigger difference out the door than MSRP implies. That may even be the case with the bZ4X.
     
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  4. mikefocke

    mikefocke Prius v Three 2012, Avalon 2011

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    The cost of a car:
    List price (MSRP)
    The price of options/packages/features you want
    The price of options required by the dealer or distributor
    The cost of financing
    Tax rebates state, local, utility, federal
    Manufacturer rebates
    Service costs for the planned life of ownership
    Car rental costs while waiting for service/parts after warranty period
    Insurance costs for the planned life of ownership
    Costs of filters, tires, batteries, wiper blades etc for the planned life of ownership
    Fuel no matter the source
    Service convenience/inconvenience
    Fueling convenience/inconvenience
    Number of times you have to rent a car because the capacity of the purchased car is not sufficient times rental cost
    Number of times you need a motel because fueling takes longer than the comparable car times the motel cost per day for the planned lifetime
    The cost of not investing the excess cost at purchase and over the life of the ownership.

    See how fuel costs seem insignificant in comparison to the total. And I'm sure I forgot some.

    Gas went up 30 cents in NC during and immediately after the D hurricane. With 5-600 miles in the tanks, yawn. I'll wait. OTOH electricity was out on the other side of the lake. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose.

    Yesterday's 100 mile trip to see the grands only cost 48 MPG. Not the 25 in these calculations.
     
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