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  1. V Sport Wagon

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    Let's get rid of racing altogether, it's a crazy right wing sport and too many people actually having fun and showing real results of fast cars head to head. You should get your head checked.
     
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    That's the beautiful thing about numbers though. You can go right ahead and find out if a car in California is faster or slower than a car in Louisiana without having to get the CA car to LA or the LA car to CA. It's like magic.
     
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    Pink's?

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    That's not how science actually works. The conditions in person need to be the same (altitude, weather, time of day) also witnesses recording to make sure there is no manipulation of sorts with numbers, a mediator to open the hoods and inspect and identify all power adders. This is how real racing is done, not the keyboard cowboy way.
     
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    When I win, I will treat you a meal and a handshake like 2 gentlemen doing gentleman things always did in the past.
     
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    I have allergies
     
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    Science actually works very much like that. Even in the simple case of the two cars on the same track at the same time, a scientist would pay attention to the size of the time difference. If one car absolutely smoked the other, one run would be enough. If the margin were narrower, the scientist would call for additional runs to see if the same car won every time, or how many times for each, before drawing a conclusion. How to decide how many runs, based on how wide the differences are, to draw an x% confident conclusion, is part of the math a scientist learns in school.

    The more complex case where the runs can't be simultaneous and the conditions can't all be identical, is very much the way a lot of science has to be done. It means you have to list out all the conditions (altitude, weather, time of day, etc.) you can think of mattering, and you make sure each car does a certain number of runs with those conditions being varied. The results you get, you crank into an analysis of variance (ANOVA)—more math a scientist learns in school—and find out about how much of the difference in results to credit to each contributing factor.

    From there, you can make the same kind of judgment as in the first case. If the result difference according to which car is way bigger than the differences any of the other factors make, you're pretty much done. If the difference isn't that stark, you collect more data.

    Experiment-design courses cover how to do all that, and when you do it right, you get results much more dependable than any single unrepeatable trial. And that's why that's how science actually works.

    While the experiment-design part covers how to get dependable results when people are honest, the rest of these matters are all about making sure people aren't dishonest. And sure, that's important too. There really are online betting escrow services where you can write your bet and put up your money, and the service will mediate who gets the disbursement. For sure, anybody with sense using one of those services would be careful to write those kinds of conditions into the bet.
     
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    I dont care what kind of science or escrow or computer program or app would be used...

    No one in their right mind should or would rely on that system for a race with money on the line.

    Gotta be same place, same time same track or street.

    End of story....