Featured Toyota bZ4X limited leasing

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  1. bwilson4web

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    TOYOTA bZ4X ONLY $199/MONTH

    If you’re interested in a Toyota bZ4X, now is the time to get one. The model can be leased in some states for as low as $199 per month for 36 months, which is cheaper than a Corolla. It’s also including a free-year of charging at EVGo stations. The deal is available until the end of September, which is when the federal EV tax credit is being eliminated. Through the first six months of the year, Toyota has sold around 9,200 bZ4X’s in the U.S., which is down 2% compared to last year.

    I have plenty of EVs but if you're on the fence, a relatively low cost to 'test the waters.'

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    Wonder if there's a glut of these - sitting in back lots that won't move, prompting Toyota to do that type of fire sale. I hope Toyota doesn't Scuttle their EV program in the USA due to political climates less favorable, causing the EV to have to stand on its own merits.
     
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    Like "Who Killed The Electric Car?" <GRINS>


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    That video is still depressing to watch. But like a train wreck, it's hard to turn away.
     
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    Toyota is a very savvy Automaker - I don't think you have to worry about them abandoning EV's.
    They will be cautious and adjust the program as market conditions demand.

    They have a multi-path strategy for people moving that has served them very well.

    They still are keeping a presence in Hydrogen just in case and have never abandoned that
    Toyota Provides Technology Roadmap at the 2025 Hydrogen and Fuel Cell Seminar - Toyota USA Newsroom.

    It seems like only yesterday, here on Prius Chat, people were raising 7 different kinds of hell with Toyota over not jumping head over heels into the electric car market!
     
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    Current new car inventory at our nearby dealership:

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    Surprising number of Prius Plug-In too, with list prices $45~55k CDN.
     
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    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

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    As long as China continues exporting every EV they can make (and they make boatloads,) any well run company (and country) will keep their EV teams active. As for the others, they will continue to slowly see their markets decline until they start working for a Chinese company.

    Let me share my example:
    • $42,000 will buy a new EV car (list price of my 2019 Model 3 before trade-in)
      • Replacement battery, $9,000, was ~20% of purchase after 6 years for another 6 years
        • 20%/6 years ~= 4%/year until the Chinese EVs arrive
    • $64,000 will provide a solar PVC roof for free miles within the EV car range
      • Also the first and last segment on a cross country trip
      • Replacement PVC panels when the more affordable Chinese panels arrive
    Bob Wilson

    ps. I did not include my backup EV, a BMW i3-REx, that I bought used for $15,000 two years ago.
     
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    i have never found these deals to be available when calling around local dealers.
    it is usually a specific geographic area, if you can find them at all.
    you'll notice that the first paragraph mentions 'in some states'.
    and of course, with $4,000. down, it is actually $310./month.
     
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    This was on our Local Toyota Dealer site:
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    The tax credit is with $208 a month and you have to keep the miles down to avoid paying more. The price is dependent on the car's value when returned. Some Nissan Leaf's were leasing for less than a hundred a month.
     
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    Bob I am going to good naturedly "poke the bear"

    $64,000 is a pretty high price for "free miles"!

    I do admire individuals who install solar energy and take charge of generating their own energy - it is inspiring.
     
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    To be fair, some of that $64,000 solar system is providing power to his house, only some portion provides power to EVs
    For 10 years I've powered my whole house AND an EV (low miles) with a $12,000 solar roof

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    One has only to look at the EV models Toyota is developing and even selling in China to see that Toyota will be all right. Develop over there and export a limited number over to here until demand climbs to a point justifying a local factory has been their way..

    Of course now that we can't get magnets or motors or rare earth from the folks who invested in them for the last 10 years, that strategy might not work as well.

    Wanted a pair of the same shoes that I bought 2+ years ago. $29.99 then $79.95 now. Don't you just love trade wars.
     
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    Gives me good shot to reference my system, again: Home Solar | Page 6 | PriusChat

    A retired engineer, I respect that a quality job requires skilled, experienced engineers: GOOD, FAST, CHEAP.
    • GOOD - I would not have thought about the smart circuit breaker panel but it has been my teacher on how to maximize use of the ~30 kWh generated each day.
    • FAST - I sold my TSLA stock when I knew Elon had gone nuts and faced with a significant 30% capital gains tax. I needed the solar credit in time to neutralize the capital gains so I had to go with GOOD.
    • CHEAP - two out of three ain't bad. In hindsight, I should have sold my TSLA stock at $400/share in January 2025 instead of $250 in late Spring 2024. I have my clever moments but timing is not one of them.
    Sharing one lesson learned, I have two EVs:
    • BMW i3-REx - 106 mi range, small, quick, "goin' for groceries" car that carries its own, 25 kW, gas fueled charger that runs while running down the road.
    • Tesla Model 3 - 204 mi range, comfortable cruiser, for self-driving, and cross country trips.
    My original plan was to swap EVs every day so one is solar charging and the other in use. But this does not work in practice. So now:
    • BMW (28 kWh battery) - is used for daily errands usually in the morning. Back on the charger in the afternoon, it rapidly charges for the next day. If not fully charged, what was done handles the next day's errands. Meanwhile, the Tesla is on charger.
    • Tesla (45 kWh battery) - remains covered and normal cabin cooling takes about 1 kWh even in this heat. About supper time, about two hours before sunset, I switch the charger from the BMW to the Tesla to top it off to 75% for a future trip.
    I'm also relaxed about buying a small amount of extra power from the Grid. But absolutely dedicated to never giving an excess power back to the utility company. So the first month of summer:
    • $214.27 - June 2024
    • _$46.83 - June 2025
    • $167.44 - year over year savings
    The TSLA stock never paid a dividend.

    In effect, the same as if I bought a diesel car, drilled an oil well in the back yard, and put the filtered oil in the diesel.

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    Or simply look at the mid-cycle update for bZ we get. Across the board there are improvements. The 2026 model improves range, efficiency, power and charging, along with some interior refinements.
     
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    I have been averaging 4.1 mi/kW over the past 1,500 miles with my AWD. So even without the SiC upgrade coming from their next-gen eAxle, Toyota has delivered impressive efficiency. 314 miles of range from the FWD puts Toyota well into the competitive category as well. Power from the AWD delivering 4.9 seconds for 0-60 and a towing-capacity of 1500 kg (3,306 pounds) does too. And when it comes to DC charging, anything beyond 150 kW becomes a good example of diminishing returns.

    So, who are whatever merits you infer supposed to appeal to? That checks the boxes of what the typical showroom shopper would expect.
     
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    Not in the market for a fwd - but I've never heard that the bz is a showroom Shopper's first choice, or 2nd, or 3rd, or 4th, or 5th.
    Best Electric SUVs of 2025 and 2026 - Expert Reviews and Rankings | Edmunds
    But - with the price slashing on a lease? it may move up a couple places & make top shoppers list. Crossing fingers.
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    You know Toyota is following their well proven approach, following the same history as Prius.
     
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    I just wish Toyota hadn't let a fan of Joe Btfsplk name their EV 'bZ4X'. Toyota was correct with the name Prius.

    Toyota's EV should have been called 'Proxi' or 'Filius' or 'Nepos' ('next' or 'son' or 'grandson'.) Instead, it sounds like something one might have said when the Mirai sales numbers came in.

    Any idea of where the name "bZ4X" came from?

    It is a reasonable EV:
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    My backup, 2017 BMW i3-REx measures 28 kWh/100 mi.

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    Yeah, that name is terrible in my opinion. Pretty much any car with a number-letter type name are cars I can't remember how they're called. I couldn't tell you what kind of car a model of BMW is. I just had to look up the name i3 again to confirm it's that BMW EV that you could get with a range extender back a while ago.

    When out and about, all I remember is the B in Bz4x. I'm like "That B4pz, I mean Bx94, or B456q, or whatever that Toyota EV is called." I'm not even sure how it's supposed to be capitalized (Bz4x or BZ4X or bz4x???). Nor do I know how it's supposed to be pronounced (bee-zee-four-ex, bee-zed-four-ex, b'zed-four-ex, buzz-forks, ???).