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By that same logic the USA should still be a British colony I suppose. Thing is, the world is a violent place & no one is born with a protective bubble. Wouldn't it be nice though if we all lived in that land of Shangri-La
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I hope I never get as cynical and negative as you.

 

So, now genocide is classified as 'defending itself'?!

 

Waiting for someone to grow up enough to handle these topics without so much personal bias.

 

If only we were all that mature, and we wouldn't have wars.

 

Anymore or less then when innocent German citizens died over ½ a doezen decades ago?



Often times the "cleaner" that war gets - the longer it takes to resolve.
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I'd venture to guess the feeling is mutual. But hey this is a conversation among friends right?

 

I think that's apples and oranges my friend. History is weird, how the oppressed have become the oppressers. There's no way to talk yourself into the words "defending themselves" when you're talking about a Nuclear nation versus sticks and stones basically.

 

Post deleted. Sorry for not meeting expectations.

 

Still waiting...

 

In years past, news sources endeavored to provide a balanced view. For what it was, it's much different today. News sources are now mostly devoted to some sort of agenda, usually Right or Left.
They all claim to be "fair and balanced," but this is not supported by the very different nature of how these stories are reported. Both seem set on attacking the "other side."

The result has been a deeply divisive situation. Never before has there been so much vitriol, and polarization in society. Insane as it sounds, supporting your "side" often involves taking all credit for everything good and blaming the "other side" for everything bad. Not much sign of sanity returning any time soon.

 

No.....basically it isn't.
A friend of mine mentioned during a discussion that William Tecumseh Sherman was a war criminal.
He didn't couch it in those terms - but I'm trying to keep it....um.....'civil.'
I told him that he probably thinks much the same thing about Paul Warfield Tibbets Jr, and then I spent about 15 minutes proving he was wrong about the Bill and that Tibbets more or less saved many MANY more lives than he took when we launched the second deadliest attack on Japan on that fateful morning.....
Not to mention a divided North and South Japan.....
Gladwell danced around this point in his book "Bomber Mafia."
I do not agree with some of historical data or points of view but the book is still worth a read because he finally arrives at the logical point of warfare.
Since ALL of history is basically Rocky Movies or Star Trek episodes I will simply invite you to watch:
Star Trek: The Original Series: Season 1, Episode 23
"A taste of Armageddon"
One of my favs....
Spock got jokes!

Another historical distortion.
The news has NEVER been 'fair and balanced.'
Even when America fought to free herself from the yoke of servitude under England, most towns had two newspapers of opposing views.
People used to, LITERALLY, shoot each other on the field of honour...many times over nothing more than politically inspired insults - in case you missed 'Hamilton.'
During the US Civil Wah, people died by the score in political uprisings and Old Honest Abe sent actual armed federal troops into NYC who shot and killed more than a few draft rioters.
Yellow Journalism.....
Labour riots in the 30's
Think things got better in the 60's?
The one thing about print newspapers is that they each realized that they depended upon the other as a counterpoise if noting else - and it was not uncommon for them to have contracts to print each others product of something happened to one of their printing plants.

What's different NOW is that there is a permission structure for people to do more than engage in polite disagreements or even nasty insults....on BOTH SIDES.
NewsNation is one of my subs, and NO.
Cuomo isn't a person that I would normally agree with......on much of ANYTHING!
His work with NN hasn't been entirely lopsided......and he's NOT wrong about the whole extremism thing.
IIRC one of the first 'comments' when this was posted was somebody slagging him for being the root cause.

Spoiler Alert:
Nope. He's had a LOT of HELP.

 

That's why I said "for what it was." My point is that it was MORE fair and balanced than it is now.

I didn't even say that; I said they endeavored to do so. I was there.

 

The American Revolution is not an excuse for mass disobedience. Human populations revolt when things become intolerable, which is a lot more than political discontent.

It happened in France in 1789, and it happened in Russia in 1917. But it's not a justification for one special interest to take over the government.

 

What isn't? Genocide is pretty cut and dry, or were talking about something else?

 

Genocide is the deliberate killing of a large number of people from a particular ethnic group with the aim of destroying that group.
This is different from war - which is basically a nation-level assault or more often an armed robbery.
Some nations have engaged in genocide without the war part - "some say" that the CCP is a pretty good example of that.
Some nations have engage in war without genocide.

Genocide is actually more complicated than bumper-sticker politics.
Example - There are still American Indians (Native or Indigenous peoples) Jews, Armenians, Kurds, Uyghurs, etc....despite previous attempted genocides - real or imagined.....

 

The word "genocide" has been watered-down from its original meaning, which was the eradication of a group of people, be it a religion, ethnicity, race etc. Extreme terms are often used for greater emphasis, but the unfortunate side effect is the deprecation of the term.

 

was there ever a successful genocide?

 

Ask the Aztecs.
Aztecs - Wikipedia

Oh wait.
You can't really ask them ANYTHING
Key word in the wiki page: 'were'

As to whether or not they were victims of genocide, disease, ethnic or cultural dilution or displacement, or they were just 'in the way' it really does not matter in the end 'eh?

It would appear that the Jews are really REALLY BAD at the genocide thing, since Palestinians make up over 20% of the actual citizens in their actual nation.

 

it's interesting that someone came up with a term for something that has never happened (to our knowledge at least)
maybe they were preparing for the future