Hybrid Battery Module Fault is Pending. Wait Till Current?

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  1. Omar Haddad

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    Hi everyone,

    I have been getting different error codes for different modules in the hybrid battery, some of which I knew were okay, so I replaced all the connectors. Now I am getting a pending fault on a couple of blocks (5 and 9). I tightened the connector nuts but not too much. The faults are not current but pending. Is it worthwhile to wait to see if the faults disappear on their own? On one of the modules of block 5 it was difficult to put the nut in. It was tight as soon as I would screw it in, so I know I will replace that module with a new one. But I've done this at least 6 times for the past month, and I've been getting erros on different modules seemingly at random. Is there something obvious that I might be missing?

    Thank you.

    UPDATE: It seems that the pending fault was because the nuts were not tight enough. In an effort to avoid overtorquing the nuts after replacing the bus bar connectors, I left them minimally tight, but I would guess the vibration of the car would loosen them, causing spikes in voltages in specific blocks. That would explain why the errors would happen at random and on modules that I knew were okay. It would also explain why on the highway the errors would be more likely: the vibration is greater at higher speeds. I only tightened up the nuts on all four modules in blocks 5 and 9, and I haven't got an error so far. If I get another error, I'll simply tighten the nuts on the modules that trigger the error. I won't be replacing modules. I hope this helps somebody.

    Thank you.
     
    #1 Omar Haddad, Aug 9, 2025 at 2:05 PM
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    The nuts on the bus bars should be tightened to 48 INCH pounds. Buy yourself a small 1/4" torque wrench and use it to tighten the nuts.
     
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    Because poor electrical connections never start fires, right?

    Many homes burn to the ground every year because of poor electrical connections. Why would you purposely make 56 poor connections in a high voltage, high current battery? You are practically begging to break down on the side of the road.
    As mentioned, tighten them to 48 INCH pounds. Go to Harbor Freight and buy a $15 1/4" drive torque wrench and an 8mm socket. Do it once and be done with it, before you damage the terminals on the modules from arcing and heat generation..
     
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    Clean up the busbars to get a clean mating surface because they will now be arc pitted .... and voltage sensing wire tabs as well, give them all a coating with Alminox or the equivalent dielectric grease on both sides of the voltage sensing wire tab and the busbar, then tension the nuts correctly ..... that hard to turn the nut on the thread is because the terminal has arced through the nut because the busbar connection to the terminal boss was probably already arced and pitted resulting in a poor contact

    T1 Terry
     
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    Are these busbars tinned with solder? They look like they are. I would highly recommend replacing these busbars with regular ones, copper or nickel plated, until it's too late. Otherwise they will kill the modules in your battery pack if they have not already done so. The solder deteriorate under such currents and creates a high resistance between module pole and busbar.
     
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    They look like tarnished and oxidised copper to me. I'd recommend polishing them on a wire brush or a sheet of wet and dry sandpaper using kero as the lubricant ..... that copper oxide near doubles the resistance compared to clean copper ...

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    Listen, you arrogant time-waster, nobody needs your prejudiced moralistic scandals. Did you understand that, Karen? It's not up to you to make any kind of moralistic assumptions of purpose for desperately needing to feel better about yourself and then repeat somebody ELSE's advice to pretend that you're bringing anything useful to the table, when you're not contributing anything. Capisce? My advice to you is that you seek psychotherapy help and fix your head before you find yourself responsible for road rage disasters. Get off this thread, you're not welcome here.
     
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    No, they're not. It's dielectric grease.
     
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    Thanks.
     
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    So, from this reply, do we infer you have used a ¼" torque wrench and all bus bar nuts are torqued to 48 INCH-lbs?
     
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    Sounds like you have a lot more problems than just lack of common sense.....did all that make you feel better? I'm pretty sure you need therapy more than I do. Everything in my post was truth. None of what's in your post is.

    Arrogant? Maybe, but I've fixed more f'ed up DIY batteries than you'll ever even put eyes on in your entire life. Sounds like yours is probably going to be very similar, just for someone else to fix down the road. If you need more of the 8mm hex head nuts, let me know, I have a box of 5000 in the shop. Need a module? I have over a thousand. Need an ECU? I have 20 on the shelf. Need a new wire sensor harness? I have a couple dozen.

    Nah, never mind, you got this.
     
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    No, but you can infer enough from my reply to Brian, whom I've thanked, so I don't see why you would have to infer it from a different reply or from this one in particular.