Low battery message after inflating tires while charging

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    A little background info:
    I had my car charging for around two hours and state of charge at around 45%, then I decided to add some air to all (4) tires at around +2 - 5 additional PSI, with the vehicle still charging on level 2.

    I turned on the "Accessory", filled up one or two tires within 10 minutes before the Accessory turned off automatically. I did not look up at the MID screen at this time so possible the message was there at this time.
    Turned accessory back on and filled up the remaining tires.
    I estimate the entire process took no more than 15 minutes.
    Note: Owners manual does state Accessory does turn off automatically after 20 minutes.

    Then when I entered the vehicle, still charging on level 2, I received a "Low battery" message on the MID screen per attachment.
    Vehicle started in EV mode without issues, but I find this interesting since I thought while charging the vehicle, the 12 volt battery was also receiving a charge? Maybe the 12 volt battery does not charge while the 12VDC outlet is in use? I find the message surprising since the vehicle was plugged in while I was using the 12VDC outlet to inflate the tires by a small amount.
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    #1 bob12345, Aug 24, 2025 at 3:09 PM
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    you were using way more juice than the 12v was receiving. in the future, only use acc with the car ready, or get a 120v compressor.
    the prius battery is small, and the charging system barely adequate for normal use. you should probably put a charger on the battery since it ran low enough to trigger the warning, or leave it in ready for a long time.
     
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    The DC-DC converter is ON while actively charging to ensure power to fans and control units charging the car. Some would say that the aux. battery is getting a charge; just because the 12VDC line is active. I don't know how the gen5 systems are programmed to respond - but I wouldn't classify it as receiving a 12VDC charge. Some people here has watched and charted those cycles and the 12VDC current varies a lot. When you pumped up the tires, did you use a cigarette lighter powered tire inflator? In other words, pull a high current off of the 12VDC line?
    That's why we say, NEVER use the accessory mode and place the car into ready mode. In ready mode, ALL systems and ECUs are active, so a higher 12VDC current draw would be compensated for. The system would ramp-up 12V power on demand. Don't know if it'll do that while the traction battery is charging, because that ECU may be asleep.

    You should probably get your aux. battery checked out and recharged, if needed.

    Hope this helps

    I find my 12VDC battery below 11.75 volts about once a year. I place it on a charger for an hour or two and it's good for another year. It has never failed to start. I believe that data point is below 10.75VDC.
     
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    I never use ACC. It's always better to use READY mode.
     
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    and you can't do that while charging, so it's an either/or situation
     
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    Mine goes into "Room Mode" which allows you to use power with the DC converter on.
     
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    1). I used a 14-15 max amp draw compressor through the 12VDC outlet. Yes, I understand the manual states to not exceed 10 amps.

    2). From the comments above and reading through other threads, my lesson learned is to inflate the tires with the vehicle in an "ON/ready state" since that is when the DC-DC is converter is powered on from the high traction battery.
    I really like this video that explains it at 11:30 time stamp for the 4th generation with actual data.


    3). I didn't have any issues starting the vehicle after the error message so the 12volt battery still had enough charge to start the hybrid system.
    Later in the day, I hooked up a OBD-II dongle to check voltage and voltage was at 12.5V. This was after the vehicle sat for two hours during another level 2 charge session and not in ready mode.
    I will later check voltage again after my daily commute in 100% EV mode since in theory, the 12 volt battery should be charging during that drive as well. TSB T-SB-0025-23 Rev 1 does state 12.6V and above does not require a trickle charge. The same TSB does state the vehicle should stay in "Ready" mode for 30 minutes with all lights and accessories off and HV battery charging. I'm guessing this is enough to charge the 12 volt battery enough as well.
     
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    I was guilty of occasionally blowing the 15 amp fuse to the lighter socket. I installed a 20 amp circuit breaker instead. I'm not worried about it in the slightest.
     
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    You need to use a DVM, turning-on the car also powers up the DC-DC converter; rendering your voltage measurement meaningless. Someone here was trying to say their battery was OK when measuring the 12VDC through the cigarette lighter outlet. Well on a gen4 that's on a relay that turns-off with everything else, so turning on the car will also wake up the DC-DC converter.

    YMMV