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  1. Isaac Zachary

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    It would seem pretty simple, but it isn't always. Immigration is a mess.

    If you need workers now it can take 5 years or better to get them vetted and their paperwork. So, do you just keep your factory closed until everyone has their proper paperwork? That would be the right thing to do, but could make building factories here in the USA not worth the hassle.
     
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    On that account, due to the expense and monetary costs and time involved, a lot of less competent workers are hired as an expedient domestically.

    The worst are those hired for who they know in spite of their incompetence.
     
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    I wonder how the thousands of Taiwanese skilled workers will fair in Arizona Delays in TSMC’s Arizona plant spark supply chain worries | CIO

    The fact they couldn't even get construction workers with enough skill to build the extremely delicate plant, so they had to bring them in from Taiwan, shows just how bad the American skill level has dropped.
    In another more in-depth article that I can't find the link to just at the moment, explains just how bad the skill level really is, even trying to get US citizens that are skilled enough to train up to the required level is proving difficult and putting strain on the company back in Taiwan where those skilled workers were relocated from ..... The article claimed that any skilled enough people, and even those still finishing degree courses, have already been signed up by overseas companies ........

    It seems, no one is actually being made aware of the "brain drain" the latest political turmoil has caused ..... if you are rich enough and/or smart enough, you have already or have plans in place, to get out while you can ........

    No highly skilled workers would be entering the US illegally, they are highly skilled because they are smart in the head as well as in knowledge required to do the job required ..... something required world wide ..... the US would be the last place someone would decide looked like a good place to enter illegally ........

    "Revenge is a dish best served cold" as the saying goes, the rest of the world is not very happy with the way the recently elected US political power is treating them, it seems that the same US political powers are assisting with the cold treatment .... they are adding the ICE treatment ;):ROFLMAO:

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    They actually brought them in from Texas where they have experience with Samsung. This caused delays and higher costs because who wants to really go to Arizona for a prolonged period without a lot of extra money. Americans do have the expertise, but with so many new semiconductor jobs they need training and that takes time and money. I remember being in Taiwan and the clean room not being right and they brought in German construction workers (those were the least expensive skilled) and they trained up some Taiwanese.

    The thing is given the ice blunder some of those experts that do the training won't want to come here. The tariffs are making construction cost more, many materials and equipment will be imported while supply chains are ramped up.

    I understand cruela de noem wants to spread fear, but that is not a useful strategy if you are trying to grow the exonomy.
     
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    "Tuition in the school of hard knocks" is what every immigrant (even our ancestors) paid to come to our Country. They work hard and cheap to earn citizenship or leave. Our country gets the advantages of any skills and work ethic they bring and they get freedom to excel.

    Slavery is when you can't quit. An immigrant is always free to return to where they came from or move on to green pastures. A slave has no such opportunity.

    My 1971-75 enlistment in the Marines was my tuition in the school of hard knocks. I learned a lot of valuable lessons but never forgot that when my enlistment was up, I DID NOT HAVE TO RE-ENLIST!

    Did you?

    Bob Wilson
     
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    Many of those screaming "due process" have ALREADY had due process and deportation orders issued. They just want to delay things further. Case in point is the "Maryland Man". He had already been ordered deported years ago.
     
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    I suppose. But that also seems a bit prejudice. If it takes however many years for a foreigner to be approved for a job, shouldn't it take the same amount for a domestic worker? Otherwise, you end up with a lot of less competent domestic workers. Which, if the company was hirering foreigners because they're more qualified in the first place, now it makes even less sense to build a factory here.

    To me it would make the most sense to just set a skills and education requirement that every needs to meet in order to qualify for the job. I really don't see making a process take way longer being a precise way to guarantee the workers will be more skilled. It might actually turn out to cause the opposite, that those who, by the time they get approved by immigration, still hadn't found a job elsewhere, are more likely to be those that were more desperate because they lacked the skills to get them a job elsewhere.
     
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    The problem with the current administration goes far beyond immigration issues. They have dismantled the government and democracy for their personal benefit, with the pretense of freedom. There are countries that have recently suffered the same faith, and they are doing really bad. So, I know this firsthand from other real examples. Don't expect Trump to work for anyone other than himself and his associates. That is what he has done all his life as a spoiled, bad, rich child. Sadly, I thought the US would never end up like these other countries, but with Trump, it succumbed to that. Now, we know how fragile the democracy was in the US.
     
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    Everything he says is "unbelievable. "

    Exactly! The lies are NOT believable.

    The way he talks, he is driving a Rambler.

    There's obviously dementia there.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    That would make three in a row.....
     
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    Did you have this same unbiased evaluation a year or two ago for the previous president?
     
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    Yeah, he should have realized that it was time to go.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    That's something that is difficult to do not matter which party party a person belongs to.
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    I believe education level of available workforce was a reason Toyota had for choosing Canada for a factory location verse one in the States. The other reason was not having to pay for health insurance.
     
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    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    My how times have changed.
    I'm old enough to remember when auto workers were highly paid but not necessarily highly skilled.
    When they started installing the robots, UAW workers were told the SAME THING by "experts" in HR as out of work Coal Miners and other factory workers:
    'learn to code.....'
    Has AI made “learn to code” obsolete?

    NOW we're learning that Auto workers are as skilled as doctors and as hard to find? o_O
     
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    I don't think their skill requirements or the general skill level has changed all that much.

    What has changed, and what a lot of people refuse to recognize, is that the pay level hasn't kept up with the cost of living. You yourself mentioned the point:
    Now your median auto worker makes around $55k a year. Even if both wife and husband had years of experience and made it up to the median (well beyond the starting wage) they still wouldn't be making quite enough for a median house. Now talk about a couple, both starting out at as autoworkers making some $45k a year each. That might get you a condo or studio apartment, but in a lot of places that won't even pay for a house.

    Decades ago not only could an autoworker afford a median house he could do it without any income from his wife.
     
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    I think it has devolved from telling lies, to believing his own lies, to the point now, he believes everything that enters his mind is the ultimate solution to all things, he is easily guided by the invisible people in the Heritage Foundation who are far right wing and manipulating politics to suit their own needs .... as usual, that's money.

    His health if failing but he can't accept that anything about himself is not perfect, so he takes what ever "miracle drug" will keep him looking like he is still the sharpest tool in the shed .... at least in his eyes anyway.

    He attacked Biden as "Sleepy Joe" yet there are more and more occasions where he drifts off to sleep himself.

    There have been more and more questions regarding his ability to read and comprehend what he is reading, it quickly becomes too much and an overload, so it becomes bullet point reports with no background information, so he no longer makes any presidential type decisions, he does what those that put him there, tell him to do, they try telling him what to say as well, but he can't remember much more than the opening lines, so he wanders off topic as soon as he reaches the point that he can't remember what he was told to say next ......

    He is nothing more than a puppet, controlled by invisible crazies hell bent on division, a society that believes working cheap and spending more than they earn, is for the betterment of the country, and making an enemy of everyone who isn't paying him to be his friend is the best thing for his vision of what the country should be, the rich at the top, the ones making them rich at the bottom, and nothing in between.

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    Any workers, there are no longer hundreds available to do the job the old way, it would simply be too expensive and require many levels of management with each knowing what had to be done at that particular stage, then they become redundant until that particular job that they knew how to do, was required again ....

    From there, the production line was formed, each group knowing that job and someone checking they were doing it correctly

    This was still wages intensive, so machine that could do the simple respective job, 24 hrs a day, with requiring rest breaks and limited length shifts and holidays and ..... it was inevitable, as soon as a machine could do your job better than you, repeatedly at that premium level, over an extended period, your job was gone.

    The next step was training up to do any job on any line ..... that is where we are at today, if you don't have the skill level to replace anyone in your team, and soon on your worksite, you are not skilled enough for that employer to pay the better money.

    The trick to getting ahead has always been the same, stay at least one step ahead of pack, be not only the person who can do any of the teams jobs, but be the person who can quickly learn the new job that is just around the corner in development, then you become the head person of your group ...
    The next stage, learn all the steps and position skills required at each job in the next job that is around the corner, now your job is well paid and secure, avoid being promoted beyond that job, you would then be at the bottom of that work group, and working your way up may be much harder than you are cut out for, so you become expendable when the layoff start .....

    They never layoff the person who knows how it all works and is quick enough to learn any new skills, that person would be very valuable to any opposition company, putting them one step ahead when things improved .....

    Anyone who was not constantly upskilling to the point, they may need to find another company that had the room for them to learn even more, is looking to become the low hanging fruit the next time their skill level is no longer required ....

    T1 Terry
     
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    If my pension didn't cover health care cost, there's no way I could've done early retirement. Got another 4 years before medicare kicks in.

    Workforce education level is a major concern. The 8 years before I retired, the kids didn't know squat! Their resume looked good, but they were all inflated. It got so bad that we would place a piece of equipment they claim to be experienced in fixing in front of them and we'd tell them to do a standard PM on it. Gave them a tool bag and PM kit. We could tell right away if that person ever laid hands on a similar unit. In most cases; we would have to cut the interview short, since the candidate obviously has never touched a similar unit.
    What I remembered the most was a kid that was assigned to repair a piece of equipment. A week went by and we asked him, where is it? He said he couldn't repair it because he couldn't find a YouTube video on it.
    I just lost it!! I asked him why we would be paying him $40/hr to look up how to do repairs on YouTube?
    1. Your resume clearly states that you know how to work on that piece of equipment.
    2. We have OEM repair and troubleshooting e-manuals at your disposal. That reference # on the work order tells you exactly where to find it or simply click on the link.
    3. That unit is so old that we actually have the old OEM paper manuals in the library.
    4. Why didn't you ask someone for help?
    5. Are you not able to read and comprehend the OEM step by step troubleshooting instructions?

    Got HR to cut a check and terminated him the next day. Unable to do his assigned work and lying on his resume - it helped that he was still on probation.
     
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    You have a lot of information for someone who lives in Austrailia. You have inside connections or just going by trustworthy media?
    Any hints for Power Ball this week?