Vaccine provocation

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  1. futurist

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    Given we had opposite reactions to P/M vaxes... does it count for much to say, my Shingrix vax wasn't bad at all...? :confused:
     
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    I get to say my Shingrix experience wasn't bad at all compared to what I'd been primed to expect. :)
     
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    my second shingrix laid me up for a couple days...
     
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    covid shot this morning at walgreens, poorly run operation.
    i got the moderna mnexspike
     
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    is that a virtual pharmacy? do they have you hold the phone up to your arm?
     
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    With a message from RFK Jr, "Just eat a raw, unwashed carrot, you don't need a vaccine."

    Bob Wilson
     
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    a little achy today, and slight headache. i wonder if the latest iteration has less side effects
     
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    "i wonder if the latest iteration has less side effects" There may persist something of a misunderstanding about vaccine side effects. So I shall provoke here a bit more.

    Vaccines contain cells, or cell debris, or foreign molecules all intended to provoke your immune system directly. If your arm hurts after, or you get a headache or are laid low, this is understood to mean that your immune system responded.

    Vaccines also contain adjuvants that indirectly and somewhat mysteriously goad your immune response. To replace those with others that do less (in terms of side effects) would be somewhat contrary to purpose.

    Vaccines also contain water and (I assume only) NaCl to be isotonic with your extracellular spaces. Places. Millieu. Too much salt or too little would cause a pointless bit of pain until ions sort themselves out. Medical technology does not get that recipe wrong. I think :)

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    Edit: neglected to mention the most modern mRNA vaccines. They contain none of the main ingredients above. Instead, some mRNA that to survive enzymes floating about, and to 'hook up' will cells, is encased in lipids. Or buttered up as I prefer to say. To the best of my knowledge they contain no adjuvants.
     
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    If that youtube was posted to correct errors in mine, I accept those w/o being able to view it. It came from a respected poster :)
     
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    Trollbait It's a D&D thing

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    The 'buttered up' phrase knocked a 'grease me up' pop culture reference from my mind.
     
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    Were we not discussing important matters here, I would mention new TV series 'Plur1bus' where a naked RNA sequence makes all but a few humans into happy hive-minded people. It also killed about 1/10 of humanity outright. I've probably done enough distracting here.
     
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    looks like we picked the wrong flu strain, but should still get some protection.
    unfortunately, vaccinations are down from last year. i can't understand why:69470077
     
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    H3N2 popped up too late for growing in chicken eggs. Global flu vax remains stuck in the old ways. We are not yet opposing Hx/Nx flu with generally found bits that can be immune-response invoked with mRNA. Ah well, we live in fear of improving the vax landscape, but not in fear of tying down hospital resources, and loss of some lives. It is apparently human nature to misplace fears.
     
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    I started with: Weekly US Influenza Surveillance Report: Key Updates for Week 45, ending November 8, 2025 | FluView | CDC

    upload_2025-11-18_22-24-24.png

    I chose to take the COVID shot first and then got a 'head cold.' So I'll get the flu shot, whatever they have, by Friday. Peak protection should coincide with peak rates.

    Across the USA:
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    Looks to be a good time to get the vaccination in Dixie.

    Being 75 years old, I've got a lot of previous flu seasons under my belt. So this suggests I should have a good outcome:
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    It is the young that lack any flu history most at risk.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    The young may catch it the most, but the elderly die of it the most:

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    Also, from the CDC WONDER database (page view slightly too long for screengrab to catch the CDC banner along with all the data):

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