What happened to Times Roman type? My new MS Word defaulted to Calibri

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  1. Stevewoods

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    With Windows 10 being OUT; I picked up a new home computer -- my old one WAS from about 2012...

    With the new computer, I had to get a new version of MS Office. So, I go to type a letter and the default typeface is Calibri. Go to switch to Times New Roman and it is not in the list.

    Dug deep in the bowels of my new machine and found TNR hidden away -- I rescued it and made it default for Word. Did not realize there had been a big uproar over Calibri/TNR. WAY back, I was a news reporter. If we dared even think about using another font --- well.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2025/12/09/us/politics/rubio-state-department-font.html
     
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    Apparently Calibri is "woke", being easier to read for people with vision troubles.

    Ah, see that's the gist of the linked article.
     
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    Aye: Really don't mind they made Calibri the default. As long as long as it's an easy path to switch to TNR -- or whatever. Apparently MS OFFICE default was TNR until they switched to Calibri a couple of decades ago.

    BUT they should have left TNR as an easy option in the drop down. They must have kept TNR as an option for awhile as i don't remember any issue before. Most people are not as stubborn as I and probably do not go on Safari to reinstate TNR.
     
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    Schools in my day required Times New Roman, so I assume it is what a significant number of folks are used to using. I also changed the default for Word 2024. Anything else just looks wrong(y)

    But, whatever works for you.
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    Rubio says Calibri is DEI:

    "Then-Secretary of State Antony Blinken ordered the 2023 typeface shift on the recommendation of the State Department’s office of diversity and inclusion, which Rubio has since abolished. The change was meant to improve accessibility for readers with disabilities, such as low vision and dyslexia, and people who use assistive technologies, such as screen readers.

    Calibri, sometimes described as soft and modern, is typically considered more accessible for people with reading challenges thanks to its simpler shapes and wider spacing, which make its letters easier to distinguish. Blinken’s move was applauded by accessibility advocates.

    But Rubio’s order rejected the grounds for the switch. The change, he allowed, “was not among the department’s most illegal, immoral, radical or wasteful instances of DEIA,” the acronym for diversity, equity, inclusion and accessibility. But Rubio called it a failure by its own standards, saying that “accessibility-based document remediation cases” at the department had not declined."
     
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    I suppose we're now to agree that anyone with visual impairment is self-evidently not herrenmenschlich enough to qualify for any desk job in the department of state, and should instead perhaps die, and decrease the surplus population.

    Edit: not to mention also people with hearing impairment at press briefings
     
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    LOL the TNR/Calibri battle was 20 years ago!
     
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    Has Rubio just held a grudge that long?
     
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    Wow, really? I imagine most folks --- except those in some printing related business such as newspapers would have been hard pressed to name any font 30 years ago. But with computers...

    If Calibri is easier for those with impairment, I have no issue with switching. More important things to worry about. But, you know old folk, I don't like cell phones, either.
     
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    My preference in TextPad is Fixedsys:

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    Just utilitarian, easy to read, monospaced. Appreciate it's not gonna cut it, for "executive orders"...
     
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    I do find Calibri and Ariel easier to read on a screen, but can appreciate where serifs can be needed for some letters.

    On another note, once heard Comic Sans can be easier to write with. Its unseriousness can overcome blocks from overthinking and need for perfection.

    Adding to the font subject is that licensing might be needed to use some.
    Font Licensing: Complete Guide for Designers and Business Clients | TypeType®
     
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    For some reason, I've read an awful lot of stuff that was typeset in Computer Modern.
     
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    tempest in a teapot?
     
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    Just like Nazi germany's leader with only one testicle and a nasty amphetamine habit, the desire for a society of purity without any degenerate imperfections is a do as I say objective, not as I do reality.
     
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    Pretty much, as are many of the subjects here:p
     
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