Vaccine provocation

*points to Priuschat*

 

the human body is a complicated organism

 

Just got the latest covid jab -- Pfizer, of course...

Nice thing about living here (at least for now)... is the ease by which one can get scheduled, confirmed covered thru your insurance carrier before you get it, then jabbed and coupon'd. There's a lot to dislike about CVS and its corporate practices on mainland... but one of them isn't online-prompted vaccinations -- at least ime.

Funny tho... last one was Oct, and prior to that, last year. Not sure why I'm needing a pando jab 60d after the last, but better to get it than not -- esp here where infection rates and hospital cases refuse to be zero.

 

who recommended? we get it twice a year, also at cvs. i think 60 days might be the minimum spacing?

 

Was wondering the same thing, so asked the pharmacist helping me about my last jab, which were as mentioned not long ago (he was the one who'd administered the last jab as well). Said yes I qualify, and yes I should get it. First time getting a jab this soon after the last one so not sure if it's to address a new strain? Usually the staff'll wave off rather than recommend if I'd gotten one as long as 6 - 8 mos before, so didn't question it. The fact my insurance pre-cleared the jab as well (pretty much instantly as I waited), confirmed more of this theory.

do not know what CVS is like anymore on mainland (know I didn't use them when I'd lived in my last address there; only heard workmates gripe about it)... so can't confirm or deny any advantage we have. But got it for free and a good Pfizer shot... so

 

are they working on a vaccine? i did not know that

 

we always got our shots at the doc. but that changed with covid because of the refrigeration requirement.
after the first year, government closed the covid administration sites and gave it to drug stores.
we started with cvs, and they have been fine, except this year when i went, i waited 20 minutes past my appointment time, left and went to walgreens, which was worse.

 

Ulcch, sorry to hear that

Walgreens is defo not it. Speaking from formerly using them for most non-clinic / -hospital med needs in AZ 30y ago, to being so shocked at their failures and ghetto-ness here in Maui County, could only laugh and leave. Super-expensive, 'pharmacists' behind the counter making every day their first on the job... and not stocking any brands, only their shite store ones. Used to be the Radio Shack / Fry's Electronics of drugstores in late '90s / early Y2Ks, stocked everything and stayed solvent. Now everything more expensive than a deodorant is behind lock-and-key, and most of the big brands they sell are candy

Interesting video about why CVS / Caremark is such a toxic presence on mainland... their svc here (taking over the generations-popular Long's Drug, which established an expectation of certain svc stds probably not present in mainland stores) is a lot better in the year since that scandal broke... so probably more shens to watch out for in the contiguous-48. Here the principals in charge have enough to do re: the shipping costs to our space station... but perhaps when they feel cocky again, we may join you in seeing crap svc or pulled products. much like WG

 

I repeat Bob's link:

Stanford Medicine study shows why mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccines can cause myocarditis

Finding different aspects to mention.

Cytokines are communication proteins for (our and others') immune systems. Cytokines in excess make immune responses go wrong, and sometimes very wrong. Stanford Medical study clarifies that real COVID infections stimulate excess cytokines production more than vaccines do.

Because mRNA vaccines can now be so swiftly crafted, their non-ilicitation of cytokines is a design goal. Ethics exclude testing that in humans, so a different 'animal model' is needed. Choices (essentially) are mice and other primates. Medical research can do anything to mice, but the more-similar primates are both much more expensive to diddle with, and invoke a whole 'nother set of ethical concerns.

We stand at need for really good vaccines against troubles now and later. Our defense is always innate immune systems, and vaccines are to be low-harm training.

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Less important follows.

Troponin is a protein associated with heart-muscle damage and may be known to readers with heart troubles. This link says troponin may appear in blood analyses from people with fine hearts. It may be that troponin is an imperfect 'heart-damage' marker.

 

I'm more than COVID years old, so I try not to use the "M" word in mixed company.

 

CDC says Covid shots continue to protect children from serious disease:
Effectiveness of 2024–2025 COVID-19 Vaccines in Children in the United States — VISION, August 29, 2024–September 2, 2025 | MMWR

CDC study says Covid shots continue to protect healthy kids from severe illness

 

^^^ hopefully, frodo will read this, or at least samwise gangee ^^^

 

Can't grok with anyone who hates the covid jabs / getting them -- they've never done anything uncomfy or weird to me, with the exception of one (yearly flu jabs eff w/ me far more consistently ). Also, have never once tested positive* on any generation of covid test, including the earliest, serology-dept-required one. May be related...?

My jabs have all been Pfizer except a single time, when Pfz wasn't available here late '23 -- so got Moderna instead. Pretty bad 48 hrs, JeMa&Jo. But lo of los... no cancer, warts, tumours, extra testicles or autism (sorry, already had it since '70s and diagnosed Y2Ks ).

Didn't have to pay for this last short-timer'd one, and CVS gets to say their pharmacist recommended the highest protection available for legal reasons... so don't feel bad the last one were 60d ago, plus younger than 60 and non-immunocompromised... because there are so many people refusing to vaccinate, may as well not let them go to waste

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* related: in Jan 2020, just before the news broke... caught the absolute worst viral bug of my life, save the one in '89 that nearly killed me just out of boot camp (fever rose to almost 107F -- got the ice bath dunk, lost all memory for hrs, all the things. Doc said I were lucky not to be brain-damaged... debatable, given my scratchings here ).

But back to '20... most of the symptoms were consistent with what we knew about covid... but didn't result in any lasting, lingering long-covid -- which we know now, happens to a lot of people who exp severe symptoms.

So could've just been a bad non-covid bug, and coincidental. If were actually covid tho, could explain why I didn't get any repeat infections in the 5y since (which many exp'd in the pando, vaxxed or not). But being a bodyworker and adamant about following established, sane, successful methods of preventing fomite transmission, probably had a part, methinks...

Free Pfizer jab? Sure, when and where

 

We had a very nasty bug a few weeks earlier, in mid December 2019. Numerous other people around here did too, according to later responses from friends and medical workers.

The very first U.S. death reported in real time was also here, Feb 28, 2020, though later lab tests discovered a couple deaths earlier in the month in CA. The first reported covid illness here was confirmed Jan 20, in a traveler who returned home from China on Jan 15 and sought medical attention on the 19th. On a quick search, I haven't noticed any retrospective confirmation of earlier illness, though the first now-known CA death would suggest that earlier spread was likely.

Based on timings of various pieces of this, it does appear that something else very nasty was circulating here just before covid, but it was not as deadly.