Vaccine provocation

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  1. fuzzy1

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    The U.S. may have been the upper bound this morning, but is no longer so this evening. RFKJr just dropped that from 17 to just 11 vaccinations.

    "WASHINGTON (AP) — The U.S. took the unprecedented step Monday of cutting the number of vaccines it recommends for every child — a move that leading medical groups said would undermine protections against a half-dozen diseases.

    The change is effective immediately, meaning that the U.S. Centers for Disease Control and Prevention will now recommend that all children get vaccinated against 11 diseases. What’s no longer broadly recommended is protection against flu, rotavirus, hepatitis A, hepatitis B, some forms of meningitis or RSV. Instead, protections against those diseases are only recommended for certain groups deemed high risk, or when doctors recommend them in what’s called “shared decision-making.”"

    https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/health/us-drops-the-number-of-vaccines-it-recommends-for-every-child/

    AAP Opposes Federal Health Officials’ Unprecedented Move to Remove Universal Childhood Immunization Recommendations
     
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  2. fuzzy1

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    Another weekly update, and WOW! * squared:

    Screenshot 2026-01-05 182654.jpg
     
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    local hospital set a record for historical census last week, and 10% of patients have upper respiratory infections
     
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    Unwelcome bad (northern) winter for humans, but a good one for influenza's various genomes.

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    This/these vaccines continue to use '1960's' technology. Assessing winners from (southern) winter, multiply those in chicken eggs, followed by complicated workflow. Annual influenza vaccines have never had highest efficacies. I dare to suggest reasons why:

    Winners in previous (southern) winter are incompletely assessed. There has never been enough money for that.

    Vaccines based on all potential antigens from de-activated viruses offer many potential targets. Possibly overwhelming immune responses? This is speculation. I'd like to see this advance to mRNA technology, and I can imagine worlds where that would happen.
     
  5. bwilson4web

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    Speculation, countries with large populations, government sponsored healthcare, and advanced research technology are more likely to research and develop the next generation, vaccine technology. They have a strong motivation to improve the processes if nothing else to reduce costs and improve outcomes.

    I have already resigned myself to future medical tourism: Canada and Mexico. No one lives forever but medical tourism might avoid the stupidity of RFK Jr.

    Bob Wilson
     
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    I had understood that the chicken egg production process was a part of the problem, their output is slightly altered from the input. A better production process has long been needed, but many attempts to create such had not worked out.
     
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    Cousin went to Costa Rica for dental work. They found something missed in the US.
     
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    i wouldn't go to mexico for lima beans. switzerland? mrna sounds good, but is the covid shot anymore effective than the flu shot?
     
  9. ETC(SS)

    ETC(SS) The OTHER One Percenter.....

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    Got my flu shot today.
    Since I missed last year's poke I imagine that the site is a little more tender.
    Heretofore I've never reacted to a flu shot.

    Now I feel fully empowered to smugly 'vax shame' my lessers.

    Oh waitaminute.
    I forget how vaccinations work.
    If I'm vaccinated, and vaccinations are effective.....

    .....then who cares? :cool:
     
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    "Now I feel fully empowered to smugly 'vax shame' my lessers."

    Please do not. You have not grown by this action with knowledge to define your lessers.
     
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    Have to say, this latest flu vax wasn't as bad as some years... ironic, given the flu flashing over the mainland now.

    In fact, when getting latest covid jab, tech advised against getting it, as had gotten a flu shot w/ the previous covid jab. So getting two covid jabs in the same year (3 mos apart, iirc) was kosher with all involved incl'g insurance... but two flu shots no mas? Interesting.

    No fight from me, as it's the flu shots that sit me down a couple days, never the Pfizer jabs.
     
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    Interesting....
    I've never been affected by the flu shot in any way except this last one which left me with very minor tenderness around the injection site.
    The nurse was kind enough to let me pick, and I chose the dominant arm - thinking that the increased use of that limb would mitigate any lingering effects, which (19 hours later) didn't last as long as the band-aid on the arm did.

    I did not have to worry about mixing and matching the influenza and the Covid shots because I fully agree with @bwilson4web that..."countries with large populations, government sponsored healthcare, and advanced research technology are more likely to research and develop the next generation, vaccine technology."
    Current EU guidelines:
    "Healthy adults (those without high-risk conditions and under age 60/65, depending on the country) are generally eligible to receive the vaccine if they choose, but it is typically not actively recommended as a routine annual dose."

    As I get closer to 70, and should I start developing age-related health issues I will re-assess.

    :cool:
     
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    4 children now dead from flu in massachusetts
     
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    It's sad vaxxes have to be pushed at all :rolleyes:
     
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    Real Vaccines that actually work don't have to be forced with lies. One of the biggest problems with the fake COVID shots is that people start doubting "future" vaccines and those back them...that may actually may work.
     
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    My insurance only covers the real ones, so I've been sticking to those.
     
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    You mean the "fake" Covid shots that reduced in a statistically significant way the severity of Covid in populations that got the shots ?

    I was 80+ when I got Covid and had had multiple versions of the "fake" shots. My Covid was not severe at all. Wife 78+ ditto and she suffers from a respiratory deficiency. We did get Paxlovid. We were in the hospital for 5 minutes because that was the only place that could dispense Paxlovid at the time. No admittance and no load on the emergency staff had we had a severe case and had to be admitted for a significant time.

    While 2 cases are proof of nothing, analyzing deaths and hospitalizations by states with low or high vaccination rate yields the best samples for statistical proof of the effectiveness of the shots. Total prevention? No. Life saving, prevention of overwhelming impact on the health care system and $ saving impact? Yes.

    But I guess your sources didn't provide those graphics.