Featured Tesla discontinues autopilot, subscription-only FSD from now on

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    Seems like a pretty good deal to me, compared to what others are offering
     
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    Tesla message to owners:
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    All to meet an Elon payoff target. And now he is back in the politics game.
     
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    Well it's good that there are those that can find some nefarious angle, right? Because certainly profit goals are nefarious
     
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    Has to do with number of FSD sold or signed up for. One of his targets.

    Subscriptions are the current fad among auto makers.
     
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    Subscriptions are the current fad among a growing number of industries.

    Music,
    Movies,
    TV,
    Videogames,
    Software of all sorts,
    Cellphones,
    Computers,
    Car ownership,
    Housing,

    Since everything has a useful lifespan companies are now capitalizing on that. Eventually everything will likely become subscription, rental or leased based. There is no big reason for companies to sell you stuff since most people will come back and buy the latest and the greatest later on. So, why not just spread out those payments over so many years and call it a subscription, a rental, or a lease?

    We're getting to where nobody owns anything. Generally, that might not be a bad thing. It's a bad thing only if you want to keep something beyond its determined useful life. Someone might want to keep their cellphone for all eternity. I'm not sure why. But there are also people who'd like to buy one last computer and a copy of Microsoft Office and just keep writing on that long after it's considered obsolete. But no! You can't do that anymore, now can you! Soon, it will be the same for everything else.
     
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    An excuse for you to buy a brand-new Model Y?
     
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    Not until it gets Model 3 efficiency. I get roughly 4.5 mi/kWh, better than the EPA (and original) 4.0 mi/kWh.

    I am monitoring 2024 Model 3 prices but still too high. But w/o Autopilot (if turned off,) no interest.

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    But the Model Y has better fuel economy than the Model 3, according to EPA.

    Why not get a new Model 3 and swap your old FSD if you like the Model 3, then?

    On the fuel economy note, I see that Toyota bZ is now catching up on fuel economy with Tesla. Huge improvement, like 50%, in fuel economy since the original bZ4X! I wonder if Toyota will eventually also be the fuel-economy leader in BEVs as it is on HEVs and PHEVs. And no blob shape like Tesla! ;)
     
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    Thanks, I’ll wait for the 2026 Model 3:
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    The specs suggest the 2026 Model Y finally got ‘tuned.’ But the Model Y motors are too strong compared to the 2025 Model 3. So it makes sense to see if the 2026 Model 3 got tweaked too. I also need to see the empty weight.

    My Midel 3 ain’t broke so I can afford to wait. GOOD, FAST, CHEAP.

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    The 2026 Tesla Model Y has better EPA fuel economy than the 2026 Tesla Model 3. In addition, since the Model Y is a hatchback like the Prius, it is a much more useful car than the Model 3 sedan. It is a no-brainer.

    It has a much higher Consumer Reports score than the Model 3 (87 vs. 78 overall score and 87 vs. 83 road test score, respectively), with far superior owner satisfaction and reliability scores (82 vs. 67 and 81 vs. 51, respectively), too.

    2026 Tesla EPA fuel economy
     
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    isn't it ten grande more?
     
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    Nope, only $3k more. It’s well worth it.
     
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    that's very good, it was more back when I was looking
     
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    In fact, the price difference between the long-range versions is only $2k, and between the AWD versions, only $1.5k.
     
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    I see there's a few more weeks to buy fsd as well
     
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    Because Tesla is dragging its feet in updating the Model 3. If they had done all the same aerodynamic tweaks to the Model 3 that they did to the Model Why, the 3 would win.

    I'm not a fan of crossovers. Maybe my opinion is unjustified, but I wouldn't buy a Model Why even if it were the same price as a Model 3. Maybe if it were cheaper I'd lean towards a Why. I just don't like excess I guess. And taller vehicles mean shorter ham radio antennas. Then again, with the exception of older Model S's, Teslas also have that horrible idea of a glass roof that makes for a no-go for someone who puts a hole in the middle of their car's roof for antenna mounting purposes.