Chosen Oil Viscosity...?

I see no reason why SAE 0W-8 wouldn’t be perfectly fine in the Gen 5 Prius. Corolla uses a higher-torque and more powerful version (M20A-FKS: 169 hp @ 6600 rpm, 151 lb⋅ft @ 4400 rpm) of the Gen 5 Prius engine (M20A-FXS: 150 hp @ 6000 rpm, 139 lb⋅ft @ 4400–5200 rpm), and SAE 0W-8 is used instead of SAE 0W-16. Therefore, a thinner oil for the Prius than for the Corolla would be needed. On top of that, the Prius engine would run cooler; so, the oil would be thicker for a given SAE viscosity grade. I see no engineering reason for Toyota’s oil-viscosity recommendation for the Gen 5 Prius. It could be for logistics reasons.

 

Thinner Oil is mainly pushed by the EPA and CAFE to increase fuel economy. Toyota published a paper https://www.sae.org/publications/technical-papers/content/2020-01-1425/. It can formulate 0W-8 with thick enough boundary layer and increase fuel economy by 0.8%.

In terms of fuel economy, 0W-8 is great, but it is only for hybrid without Turbo. Thin viscousity cannot be compensated with coctail of B, Mo, and other additives in high heat high spin turbo shaft and Toyota only use 0W-20 on their Turbo engines for a good reason.

Using 0W-8 won't hurt the engine for newer Toyota that are designed for it, but not for the older one like Prius 4 0w-16 and Prius gen 3 0W-20. On the other hand, using thicker oil such as 0W-20 or 0w-40 are perfectly fine and won't void any warranty in any Toyota that come with recommended 0w-8. In terms of engine protections, 0w-8 is enough, and 0w-20 is also more than enough for Prius gen 5.

Don't sweat it, thicker oil like 0W-40 may protect the engine better if the car is driven under high speed in hot climate zone like middle east or tropical countries. The thickness of oil is exponentially changing over temperature. At 32F, most engine oils are 1000x thicker than at running temperature 100C, and the difference between 0W-40 and 0W-8 at running temparature is minuscle compared to when it just started at below freezing temp. 0.8% over 0W-16 and probably 1% over 0W-40 is enough to make CAFE happy.

I prefer to use whatever Toyota recommend for the car, but if I have thicker oil like 0W16 or 0W20, I will still use them first before buying a new 0W8 as long as it is <5y old from the manufacturing date. Yes, engine oil has selflife in sealed bottle, about 4-5years.

 

It is not just US/CAFE. Many new cars in Europe are also recommending 0W-20. And 0W-16 is coming there, too.

The rule of thumb is to use the lowest viscosity grade that sufficiently protects against wear. This is usually the recommended grade. Use of a thicker oil will lower the performance and the car will feel sluggish, idle more roughly, and will have worse fuel economy.

Thicker oil has its place. It will help with cars that are prone to wear and/or oil consumption, such as some Toyotas with piston-ring problems. It is also recommended for driving very fast or with high loads or towing etc.

Coming back to the recent question, yes, SAE 0W-8 is fine for the Gen 5 Prius HEV/PHEV under normal operation, as it is recommended in the lower-torque version of the same engine in the new Corolla, which would require a slightly thicker oil due to the slightly higher torque/rpm ratio. Prius engines also tend to run cooler because they are off most of the time, which makes a thin oil even more suitable. Last but not least, oil recommendations don’t always follow a strict engineering analysis. For example, Gen 4 Prius HEV/PHEV originally recommended 0W-20 but later model years switched to 0W-16 for the identical car, with the recommendation for the previous model years having been unchanged.

 

CAFE concept is everywhere and natural that everyone wants higher fuel efficiency including in Africa.
For sure, the warranty is voided if we use thinner oil than what is allowed or recommended by the manufacturer.
Yes there are a few cars use 0w8 these days, but it does not mean we can use 0w8 on older cars even with the same exact engine. But we can use 0w40 in Prius gen 5, Corolla, Camry, or Crown 2025.
It is just a common sense, thicker engine oil provide thicker film, but the efficiency may drop a bit with thicker oil. 0.8% is easily compensated with our driving style. In practice, it is within the error bar of normal driving.

 

Yes, you can run a 15W-40 in a Prius, and you can also run a 0W-8.

However, in a car like Prius, the fuel-economy difference between 0W-40 and 0W-20 could be several percent. I tested different oils in my 1985 Corolla and verified this. The engine would feel super-sluggish with 10W-40 or 15W-40 and idle more roughly and the low-throttle response and fuel economy would suffer greatly. 10W-30 would work much better. You would see less of a difference in a performance car. But then chances are that you shouldn’t even be using 0W-20 in a performance car. The benefits of going down from 0W-20 to 0W-16 and then to 0W-8 will be less significant. Last but not least, with thinner oils you will see a huge improvement in fuel economy if you are doing short trips and the engine is not warming up. Again, the rule of thumb is that the thinnest oil that provides sufficient protection against wear is the best oil for your engine. In a fourth-world country, where thinner oils are not available, you can use 10W-40 or 20W-50 with compromise on fuel economy and engine performance, not to mention possible engine problems.

In summary:

• Do not use a thicker-than-recommended oil in a Prius unless you suspect engine problems (like piston-ring wear).
• Gen 5 will work with 0W-8 because the same engine in the new Corolla uses it. I wouldn’t use it in Gen 4 or older to be on the safe side.

 

I mix 0w8 with 5w20 so im actually using 2.5w14 which gives me a little more film strength when piston rings are at tdc and are basically metal to metal

 

Formulation in engine oil is tricky especially with the thinner oil. The 0w-8 with the right additives give the same level of protection as 0w-16 or 0w-20 on the boundary layers. Messing the formulation can cause harm than good.
Mixing engine oil from different brands also not recommend because of possible contra productive of different family of additives package that make it API SP or Dexos certified oil

 

All that fuel in the oil can't be good for the engine the oil is as thin as water !!!

 

No oil is as thin as water.

 

IMHO; it's your car - do whatever you want.

If a warranty claim should arise, that would be grounds to deny payment of such claim..........

Just playing devils advocate.........

 

just picked up my gen5 prius phev from second year maintenance: as in previous round they opted for 0w20 oil, instead of the 0w16 which is recommended in the toyota maintenance book which sits in my glovebox. I asked for the reason behind such discrepancy, and they state that the book is wrong....

Should I file a complaint?

 

Meh, you are lucky they didn’t use 10W-40 in Italy. LOL

You will be fine with 0W-20 over there. It doesn’t get cold.

 

And I was worried that the dealer may have put in 0w16 instead of 0w8 last week.

 

I would; A franchise dealership ignoring OEM specifications can get their factory warranty repair reimbursement denied. Do you think they would 'eat the cost' for screwing up your engine and not getting reimbursed from the manufacturer to fix it???? They are going to hold your car hostage until you pay or lean sale it.

Just my two cents......

 

I’m half wondering if you guys are serious

 

I wouldn't use them after the free maintenance was finished.

 

And therein lies my primary reason for planning Toyota OEM spec oil changes. It’s a risk-vs-reward calc I’ve mentally made that may or may not be overly conservative, unfortunately I don’t know how to quantify it any better at my early stage of ownership.

~55 years of doing oil changes on various vehicles at service stations/in my driveway or garage. I am very biased – 0w-8 oil just seems sooo wrong because over decades I’ve been conditioned to resist a change outside my previous experience. But so many things have changed since the late 60’s – going from single grade 30w use in the majority of cars during my service station ‘attendant’ days, to the move to multi-grades, to semi-syn and full syn oils. Back when new car engine break-in oil was a real thing. No stigma attached in late 60’s/early 70’s to throwing a quart of oil (in cardboard cans) into the engine (almost always V8 or straight 6 - except for that weird Saab with the 2 cycle engine that stopped by periodically) after a gas fill-up, oil ‘loss’ every xxx miles was accepted as part of car ownership (and saw a fair number of older vehicles with the old down-draught ventilation tubes). If you planned on keeping a car for a while, engine rebuilds also an accepted fact of life (and plenty of places that offered that work if you didn’t want to DIY, and wouldn’t destroy your checking account).

The idea of a need for a potential engine warranty claim never occurred to me until ~15 years ago, well after the formation of the NHTSA. Nowadays, if your new car engine consumes a quart of oil every 2000 miles (or less), we freak out a bit and rush to the dealer who more times than not is likely to tell us “sorrio, that’s not abnormal, we feel your pain but corporate says….”. We’ve all observed that auto manufacturers have gotten a lot more hard-nosed about warranty claims (why else would oil change DIYers scrupulously keep receipts and photo records). Statistically, the odds of incurring an engine issue due to running a (slightly) more viscous oil is very low. Now, if I lived in Las Vegas or Doha and did a fair bit of hard summer driving, ehhh I might change my tune. If I lived in Minot or Edmonton or Fairbanks or Finland, in winter I’d welcome that 0w-8.

So I’ll stick with OEM 0w-8 recommendation with a tweak – no 10,000 mile OCI’s for me.

 

Never.

 

I'm about to leave for a trip to the Alps....expected outside temp -5 °C...quite cold for Italian standards.