Vaccine provocation

If the day comes when flu or covid or rsv - etc & it no longer bounces off? Sure - jab away. In the meantime, get it or don't. YOU be the determiner. Not the state - or employer or the middle School Etc. How much dumber did kids get - or older folks forced to isolate & get depressed with isolation - because they were forced to? That was just ridiculous.
Having suffered through shingles, & weighing the vax risk, the shingles shot(s) risk, as well as the 2nd version, as well as the booster on the 2nd version was an easy choice. Plus - no one demanded it's injection(s)

 

More from that link (with added emphasis):


"Between December 2020 and May 2021, there were 148 U.S. myocarditis cases reported from around the time a patient received a COVID-19 vaccination. But since April 2021, around the time most states opened up vaccinations to the general population and large numbers of younger people were vaccinated, the CDC said there has been a rapid increased in the reports of myocarditis to the CDC Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) system. There are now 1,226 cases of myocarditis/pericarditis recorded in the VAERS data that are possibly related to COVID vaccines as of June 11, 2021. This is out of more than 318 million doses administered so far.

Vaccine statistical models created based on the trials of the mRNA vaccines predicted some cases of myocarditis, but the CDC data presented at the meeting this week showed numbers a quarter or third higher in younger age groups than what was expected.

These patients were mostly men aged 16-19, and symptoms usually occurred after the second dose, explained Tom Shimabukuro, M.D., MPH, MBA, deputy director of the CDC Immunization Safety Office, and a member of the Vaccine Safety Team, CDC COVID-19 Vaccine Task Force, at the ACIP meeting. He said most of these patients were hospitalized, but 95 percent of the cases were considered mild.

While there were cases of myocarditis in all age groups between 12-50, the majority of cases are concentrated in the 16-28 age group.

Of the 484 patients age 29 or younger, 323 met the CDC working case definition for myocarditis, pericarditis or both, Shimabukuro said. At the time of the report, 148 additional cases were still under review. Of the 323 patients, 309 were hospitalized. As of June 11, 295 patients had been discharged, nine were still in the hospital, including two in the ICU, and 14 were not hospitalized and were seen in the emergency department, urgent care or an outpatient clinic.

The CDC said nearly all follow-up visit notes for these patients indicated resolution of symptoms at the time of follow-up. Of those that had follow-up ECG, echo and lab testing, most had returned to normal or baseline levels."

 

Individuals have a right to refuse medical treatments. Governments have a right to impose and enforce quarantines.

 

. . . Still waiting for you to link your source, so we can review what it actually claims.

Meanwhile:





https://www.ahajournals.org/doi/10.1161/CIRCULATIONAHA.121.056135

 

Meanwhile, more Covid vaxx deaths than all other vaxx deaths combined

Estimates range to 20 Million worldwide

Not up to Billy Gates of Hell's wanted numbers but still significant

 

SARS-Cov-2 mutated on it's own to l have less lethal effect on humans...all buy it's self..as predicted. Unfortunately, those that actually died or got really sick were "weaker" folks from the earlier more lethal variants. The mandated shots (medicine), isolation and masks did nothing. Get over yourselves people...we were ALL played.

 

Moderna, j&j, Pfizer all have lobbied to keep covid harm lawsuit immunity until end of 2029. hmmmm wonder why

HHS secretary extends duration for COVID PREP Act declaration | CIDRAP

 

It's true enough that we know a virus, as it co-evolves with people, will show an overall selection effect in favor of mutations that don't kill the hosts too soon. Mutations go every which way, but overall the effect of selection favors some over others.

The bigger claim that post #386 is making is that the sharp drop in severity and lethality around the time the vaccines started being administered was all because of selection for 'nicer' mutations, and not at all because of the vaccines.

It'd be fair to be curious about whether that claim is true. I wonder how a person who cared to know if that claim is true might be able to investigate it.

 

Also, this is no longer a new disease that nobody has ever experienced before. Almost everyone now has a mixture of survivor and/or vaccination immunities from previous rounds, so it has become a bit more similar to the four common cold coronaviruses that generations have already experienced from infancy, and keep getting repeatedly as their immunity from previous cases fades but never completely vanishes.

Just repeated empty words from someone who continues to refuse to address the considerable data posted here several years ago.

 

so no link to your death claim? iow, you are buying the anti vax nonsense because it fits your preconceived notions, and passing on bad info for what purpose?

 

A 2025 systematic review of autopsies found twenty-eight cases where myocarditis was likely vaccine-related (eighteen Pfizer, nine Moderna). Mean age forty-four, most deaths within days of last dose. (https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/10.1002/ehf2.14680)
One detailed case: twenty-two-year-old man died seven hours after chest pain started—five days post first Pfizer dose. Autopsy showed acute myocarditis. ( Myocarditis-induced Sudden Death after BNT162b2 mRNA COVID-19 Vaccination in Korea: Case Report Focusing on Histopathological Findings - PMC )

Is it comforting that deaths were few? Doubtful if it's the family of the folks that died. Need an acknowledgment that they were few? Nobody's arguing that. Read again, people were dropping dead & the oddest thing was some of the people that WERE myocarditis survivors were healthy athletes.
Anti vaccine name calling is odd - since throughout the years I've mentioned getting everything from shingles cax, to multiple flu shots, to the multiple one that leaves that weird scar on your shoulder/arm. Even said that when/if i have weakened immunities down the road that consideration of covid would be doable. I guess if all that still makes one anti-vax? So be it.
vax! Wooooooo - scary

 

So just under 1 death per month from vaxx-associated myocarditis.

For comparison, deaths from acute myocarditis (AM) were running roughly 100/month in 2019, then jumped 40% in 2020, before vaccines were available. (Note that the Pandemic didn't get going here until several months into the year, the first publicized U.S. death was on Feb 29.) The rate increased a single tick (2%) in 2021, when vaccines became available.

Also for comparison, deaths from heart failure (HF) were running roughly 40,800 per month in 2019, then jumped to 44,600/mo in 2020, and 47,600/mo in 2021, the first full year of the Pandemic.

HF, Acute Myocarditis Mortality Rates Increasing in US Since Start of COVID-19 Pandemic (Use your own calculator to convert the provided figures to monthly death rates.)

Put another way, vaccine-associated AM is minuscule compared to Covid-associated AM and HF.

Note also the mean age listed in the review you quoted above: 44 years. These are mostly not the teens and 20-somethings that you have been talking about here.

When many thousands of people were dying from Covid every week? Including local anti-vaxx celebrities? YES! In comparison, this far lower rate of vaxx-associated deaths is very comforting.

Covid deaths are still running at rates of hundreds to a few thousand per month, depending on season.

Even young healthy people were dying of Covid, while far fewer from vaxx-associated myocarditis. See charts at post #384.

Here is another pre-vaxx comparison of myocarditis mortality, this data from Germany. Covid alone considerably boosted the myocarditis deaths:


See also:
National Trends in Heart Failure and Acute Myocarditis–Related Death Before and During the COVID‐19 Pandemic

 

I don’t think there has been a single death from covid vaccine caused heart issues. Any proof of one? Since the covid virus is hard on the heart the vaccines have saved people not killed them.

 

At post #391, Hill linked a review of autopsy reports on them. Autopsies are done only on dead people, not on survivors.

Regarding the chart he misrepresented as deaths at post #374, another report I saw about that indicated at least 2 deaths there too, but at report time had not yet been fully investigated, so were excluded from a subreport.

Yes, covid is very hard on the heart, contributing to very large numbers of deaths.

The vaccines did both: saved plenty of lives, but -- like nearly all vaccines -- had some adverse reactions with a non-zero death rate.

We are just arguing over the relative numbers, which I'm seeing as extremely lopsided, with the vaccine benefits vastly outweighing the deaths, by many orders of magnitude. It didn't help that Hill misrepresented the chart he posted at #374 as deaths (from post #369), or as serious permanent damage, when the narratives I find(*) about it clearly state otherwise.


(*)The original report showing that chart seems to have been part of the boatloads of materials swept off the CDC's main pages last year and is now hidden in their archive's processing queue. But I did find that chart copied in non-government materials, in both mainstream medical contexts, and in Conspiracy Land.

 

Thank you for the link finally.
Perhaps I misunderstood your approach or purpose of calling out vaccine related deaths, when it is such a minuscule percentage of covid deaths.
It does make you sound like an antivaxxer, or at least anti covid vax.
Is it your contention that no young healthy people died from covid?

 

I saw it. Any of those people died from the covid vaccine? That’s a high bar. “Likely” is not definitely, maybe they had covid, maybe they had heart issues already, or maybe something else. Usually people should ask their doctor. So I have to stay with show one case until one is shown. Dancing around the internet looking for support to be anti vaxx isn’t very difficult, so anti’s do it. They can ask their doctor and not play doctor. Mine said it’s fine I get the shots and I’m glad I did. He recommended it. I think he has anti vaxxers as patients because he was very careful to see if I was on that bandwagon.
It would need a cardiologist to understand the report from Korea, but at the end they said this:

“The cause of death was determined to be myocarditis. Given that the myocarditis showed a temporal relationship to vaccine administration and there was no other explanation for the sudden cardiac death, on July 26, 2021, Korea Centers for Disease Control and Prevention acknowledged that myocarditis and vaccination were “possibly related” in this case.”

He may have been exposed to covid and six days later it caused his heart to fail. He was a smoker and smoke breaks mean he was working somewhere during a rampant time of covid.

 

Unlike the individuals dot.gov has to do a little paperwork, FIRST.

 

How about 1000's of cases registered by the governments own vaxx adverse event reporting system?

You trust the government and the criminal big pharma saying the vaxx is ok, but you ignore the government's own tracking system?

 

You are using the "it could have been another condition" argument that anti-vaxxers and those against lock down used to downplay the harm and deaths done by covid.

 

You mean the ones paid bonuses to give out drugs and shots?