Vaccine provocation

Unlike you, I'm in no position to dispute this:

"... Causality in each case was assessed by three independent physicians with cardiac pathology experience and expertise. ... We established that all 28 deaths were most likely causally linked to COVID-19 vaccination by independent review of the clinical information presented in each paper. The temporal relationship, internal and external consistency seen among cases in this review with known COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis, its pathobiological mechanisms, and related excess death, complemented with autopsy confirmation, independent adjudication, and application of the Bradford Hill criteria to the overall epidemiology of vaccine myocarditis, suggests that there is a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death from myocarditis."

Re: the Korean case:

Now you are sounding like the extremists you are opposing. While that may be possible, it is not how the physicians reported it.

I know of no risk-free vaccines, covid vaxx included. But just 28 identified deaths, from the start of mass vaccinations until July 2023, amounts to about 1 vaccine-associated death per month. That is minuscule compared to the covid disease risk. It is even tiny compared to my risk of being killed by an errant motor vehicle while simply walking the handful of blocks to the nearest grocery store.

A mechanism for this mRNA vaccine risk was identified and reported several months ago, and points to possible routes to reduce it. Medical science continues to advance.

 

“Likely” is not proof. It’s true that’s how the physicians reported it. They didn’t say not from Covid itself or other reasons, then it would be certain. I can say it could be from other causes because they said “likely.” You are free to interpret “I sound like” all you want, I say otherwise.
It stands there is no proof as I see it, nope nothing but likely even highly likely is not there yet. When I have some doubt, I say it’s highly likely…..
It’s highly likely people were exposed to the virus during that time, especially the smoker working somewhere. Very highly likely but can’t be sure.

 

You are sounding just like the polar opposite extremists, who when faced to strong evidence, keep denying it by raising their standard of "proof" impractically or impossibly high.


I feel it is worthwhile to repeat the portion that you chose to snip out and avoid:

"... Causality in each case was assessed by three independent physicians with cardiac pathology experience and expertise. ... We established that all 28 deaths were most likely causally linked to COVID-19 vaccination by independent review of the clinical information presented in each paper. The temporal relationship, internal and external consistency seen among cases in this review with known COVID-19 vaccine-induced myocarditis, its pathobiological mechanisms, and related excess death, complemented with autopsy confirmation, independent adjudication, and application of the Bradford Hill criteria to the overall epidemiology of vaccine myocarditis, suggests that there is a high likelihood of a causal link between COVID-19 vaccines and death from myocarditis."

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This also worth repeating:

Stanford Medicine study shows why mRNA COVID-19 vaccine can cause myocarditis
COVID-19 — and, less frequently, the mRNA-based COVID-19 vaccine — can cause inflamed heart tissue in some people. A new study implicates a pair of substances secreted by immune cells and proposes a strategy to mitigate the vaccine effect.

 

Already read it and it says the same thing and even more like “related excess death.” That raises an eyebrow. Didn’t choose to snip it out. If anyone is now sounding like an anti vaxxer is you. It is not proof, plain and simple.

 

Not none - but unless there are comorbidities involved - that's another miniscule population according to the data.

 

'Fraid I'm with fuzzy on this one. When we start dismissing the best technical judgement made by multiple practitioners documenting their standards, just to say "well isn't proof to me", all we end up doing is proving the horseshoe theory of the political spectrum.

Acknowledging that those 18 deaths appear vaxx-related does not make fuzzy an anti-vaxxer at all, for the reasons he already ably set out.

You say "didn't choose to snip it out", but it was in #401, and wasn't in your quote of #401; did somebody besides you choose what portions you quoted?

 

Likely due to is not is due to. No I didn’t deceive by leaving something out, imagine what you please. Ask your cardiologist if you have one, I will ask mine in a couple weeks. I didn’t see anything like proof in any post here.