Featured GM pulls back even more from EV's

Ford & GM pulling back on electric cars ay this time almost seems odd. Looking at where most drivers in the USA are, San Diego County as well as orange and LA counties, gas prices there being today at $5.50-$5.60 a gallon? Thinking how much faster that premium for electric gets paid down?

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This isn't news. They announced backing off the EV only by 2030 plans over two years ago.

It is curious. Who are these posters you keep referencing?

 

Gas prices are an artificial incentive. It used to be that gasoline and diesel taxes were enough to keep roads repaired and in good condition to the point that many states actually have had laws that separate gas tax from the general fund and outlaw the use of general funds for road repair making gas tax about the only way to fund road and bridge repair and construction. But in recent times many places have gone away from that because they don't want to increase the cost of fuel through taxes and instead now place the tax of road upkeep on other taxes like property taxes.

Then add to that that currently electric and even hybrid cars are being taxed to make up for the lost gas taxes but to the point that electric and hybrid owners are actually paying more for those taxes than they would have if they owned a gasser.

SO HOW IS THIS NOT AN ARTIFICIAL INCENTIVE FOR GASOLINE POWERED VEHICLES AND NOT A DISINCENTIVE FOR ELECTRIC VEHICLES?

 

at the rate things are going, toyota will be out in front of ford and gm in the ev race. toyota plots the long term, ford and gm follow the political winds. that's an expensive strategy, the 180's and write-offs are crazy.

 

It wasn't that long ago that Toyota realized their EV plans were failing as is, assembled an emergency group to address that, which lead to Toyoda stepping down as CEO.

 

so true, now look at the top ten selling ev's.

 

I used to work in the road and bridge department and knew very well where the money was coming from. Both nationally and in many states we charge far fewer taxes for gasoline (adjusted for inflation) than we did decades ago and many state laws made it so that that was the money that went to fixing roads. Now we get those taxes from elsewhere so that we can make gasoline cheaper. If we make gasoline cheaper by getting money to pay for our roads from elsewhere, even from people who don't own a car, then yes, my opinion is that gasoline is being incentivized. If you don't think so, then good for you.

 

Gas is $3.499 locally, per US gallon.
I cannot say what it is in other places because I simply do not know but it seems to me that if it is, say.....$1 more per gallon in other places then this would be a DISINCENTIVE to keep buying petrol-only vehicles.
There is a $2 delta between the high price states and the low ones - and I do not see this as anything but some states using gas as a means of generating income for non transportation related expenditures.

Either way?

meh.

The cheapest new 'gasser' in America is $9,000 less expensive than the cheapest BEV - and if we accept the fact that these are more or less comparable vehicles - and in 2026 they ARE more or less except for the 'two unmentionables" then EVangelists can take comfort in the fact that the 'normality' gap is narrowing between the two architectures.

The unmentionables?
Range anxiety and refueling infrastructure.

If you do not live in a house then BEVs can have refueling issues, and for some people range anxiety is still a "thing" - especially if you're a gig worker or a contractor.
One of my HVAC contractors got a new BEV last year from his company - a '25 GM Equinox that boasted a 334 mile range.
He offered to trade me straight-up for my VERY dilapidated Ford Transit van.
He said "it's purdy - but I spend too much time charging the %^$#@ thing and that 300 mile range is $#$@!!.
(This was last winter.)

I joined PC in 2010.
Back then a $9,000 delta in vehicle prices between a USABLE BEV and a gasser was science fiction!
Let that soak in a bit and remember one thing....
Vehicles were one helluva LOT less expensive in 2010, so that $9,000 delta is a LOT narrower than it would have been in 2010!

SO....
If there's some planet hating committee of BEV hating oligarchs out there trying to kill them while they're still in the womb?
They're doing a really bad job!

In 2026 if you're looking to buy a new car?
If you have DEEP pockets???
Get a PHEV.
Have a back-up.

Otherwise keep waiting for a used BEV and hope to dear GOD above that battery prices keep falling.
......The previously unmentioned THIRD unmentionable....

Sample size = 1.
YMMV.

 

Nice job of brow beating for no reason.

While I disagree with Isaac at times, this time he is more correct than the counterargument.

There are distinct differences in the costs associated with operating service stations and product terminals, as well as a significant disparity in the costs of transporting wholesale fuel via pipelines and trucks. But the argument to pay for automobile infrastructure using fuel taxes as designed is a good one rather than reducing fuel taxes to prop up a war decision and its consequences.