Guns. Which one should I buy.

Sigs... eeew.

 

You arent really good ?
Stay away from carrying a loaded automatic.Some have very sensitive triggers which Ive found can repeat fire unintentionally just from the recoil .A dumb cop in Ca died recently because he didnt know his automatic had a round in the chamber and was pointing it at himself at a party.
Revolvers are a lot safer and more reliable in my opinion.

 

Sorry only one word for it, what a dickhead!!!
Darwin 1
One hopes he was below breeding age.

 

You can never go wrong with a Sig. I'll try to attach an article where they tested a Sig with 10,000 rounds fired through it, and it was merely broken in. Most other guns show significant signs of wear after that many rounds.

I have a Sig P229 in .40 cal. I also have two Bersa .380. They are small enough that they make excellent concealed carry weapons, and they are much easier to fire on the range than the Kel Tec. In addition, the Bersa has a safety, the Kel Tec doesn't.

Anyway, here's the sig 10,000 round review:

http://www.galleryofguns.com/shootingTimes/Articles/DisplayArticles.asp?ID=1230

 

I don't know how much I can believe this. I've put way way way more than 10,000 rounds through my Beretta 9000S type F and it fires just like a brand new gun.

Or do you mean 10,000 rounds without cleaning the weapon at regular intervals? In that case, you're just going to worry about the cleanliness of your ammunition and the gun is irrelevant as the person firing it ought to know better.

Remember for your personal defense, the average gunfight lasts between two and three shots. That's one for you, and one or two for the "bad" guys, or one or two for you and one for the "bad" guys.

In general, you want the presence of your gun to dissuade any would-be assailant. I keep my Glock 33 happily prepared, but without a round racked in it. The idea here is psychological: someone intrudes into my house, and the first thing they hear is the unmistakable sound of a gun becoming loaded and "hot." The first thing they see is the blinking red dot as it approaches them and lands squarely on their chest. This way they don't even have to understand whatever language I use when I say "stop moving and surrender." The CLI-CLACK and the red dot say everything, and the hope is nobody ever has to actually fire a shot.

~ dan ~

 

An oldie but a goodie ... perfet for home defense. Mounts easily, right on the end of your bed. Make certain you cock it prior to the home invasion robber entering your bedroom.

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cleaning up all the brass can be a bear

 

It is also a bit on the bulky side. It takes a bit of time to traverse the barrel from side to side.

 

I like my Browning Hi-Power Mk. III 9mm. Compact, easily concealed, reliable and easy to maintain. It's also single-action, lessing the possibility of an accidental discharge. Excellent, high visibility fixed sights and for me more accurate than most others mentioned here, but it's also the most comfortable and that makes a difference.

I'd suggest going to a facility offering pistol rentals, see which fits your hand best, then fire those and choose from there.

 

The Sig P226 and Beretta 92 were finalists in the competition to replace the M1911A1 as the U.S. Army standard sidearm. Either are good pistols.

Not sure what you mean by your statement. If you do not clean your firearm (rifle or pistol) after each firing session, at a minimum, your accuracy is going to drop off due to crud from the previous session that hardens in the barrel.

Some comments:

1. In California, unless you are a member of law enforcement, laser sights are going to get you into big trouble. Laser sights (in California) fall into the same category as assault weapons.

2. In the heat of the moment, not having a round chambered could cost you your life.

3. In view of 2. above, a better solution to a single action trigger pull (with round chambered) is a double action trigger pull on the first shot with single action trigger pull on subsequent firings of the pistol. The double action trigger pull on the first shot provides a further margin of safety to ensure you really mean to fire. After the first shot, you are in a gun fight and the winner is going to be the one who can get more rounds on target in as short a time frame as possible. Therefore, the single action trigger pull on second and subsequent shots.

 

You should not make a purchase decision without trying each of the finalists. Find a shooting range that rents each of the finalists you are considering. Shoot each of the finalists for a minimum of 100 rounds each. You may be surprised at the results (a pistol that you thought was your choice may turn out to be harder to fire accurately; there may be other differences that appear while firing the finalists) For personal defense, .22 caliber is not a serious contender. You are looking at least at 9mm. Many police departments are migrating to .40 caliber (10mm) as a balance between increased stopping power vs. recoil. You should try firing both .40 caliber and .45 caliber pistols to see how you are able to handle the recoil and the accuracy of each. Would you buy a car without taking it for a test drive? The same logic applies to firearms.

 

Not sure what you mean by your statement. If you do not clean your firearm (rifle or pistol) after each firing session, at a minimum, your accuracy is going to drop off due to crud from the previous session that hardens in the barrel.[/quote]

I'm saying 10,000 rounds is well within the service life of a pistol that's well cared-for. The kinda crazy (and useless) anecdote was that one specimen of a Sig .45 was able to exhaust six shooters taking turns nonstop until all 12 of their collective hands were turned into hamburger. It's not a real model of any real life situation I could ever imagine and it says nothing about the reliability of one gun versus another.

I am fairly certain you are misinformed. It is entirely legal for anyone in California to use a laser sight on anything, be it a pistol, squirt gun, or bottle of water. Law enforcement agencies generally avoid them because of the many stories about officer A accidentally drawing a line across officer B's face and freaking them all out, but they are perfectly legal here until you point it at someone who poses no threat with the express purpose of intimidating them. I am really trying hard to find the laws in question, but a phone call to my local gun shop confirms.

I am well above 99% certain that the moment not having a round chambered costs me my life will never occur to me. I'm also well above 99% certain that I'll never need my gun for self defense. The bottom line is nobody cares about me enough to want to hurt me and I don't live in a nice enough house or have nice enough things for others to want to take.

That is a pretty good safety measure if you're, say, a police officer or a bodyguard or an armed security guard; usually the police are more concerned about accuracy and are well-trained with their guns so they leave the round racked, hammer back, and any external safeties off. In my home the possibility of an accident with a completely readied gun far outweighs the likelihood that I'll need that round racked ahead of time, and because of the configuration of my home I'm not likely to be sleeping in the room an attacker would enter first upon breaking into my home; this means the sound of a gun racking is way more likely to be one hell of a deterrent than it is to be the cost of my life.

~ dan ~

 

You appear to be correct. I re-checked the CA Dangerous Weapons Control Law Section 468 (Sniperscopes) and the original reference to laser sights that was present in 2003 has since been removed. Live and learn.

Well, I am not in any way advocating keeping a loaded firearm with safety off and the hammer cocked. In fact, quite the opposite; if you are going to keep firearms, they should be in a secured storage (like a gun vault). However, when the firearm is in the gun vault, it should be in a condition that enables it to be used for protection if the need occurs. One of the benefits of the Sig pistols with the double action first shot configuration is the ability to carry the pistol with a round chambered yet not have the risk of accidentally discharging the pistol even if the pistol is dropped.

 

Well, I can't say that I agree with your logic; but it is ultimately your decision. Personally, if I was going to stake my life on something, I would make sure that I got hands-on experience before making the decision.

 

Here in California, all pistols and revolvers have to pass a rigorous drop safety test. When new guns come out (e.g. Smith & Wesson .500 Magnum), Californians are usually the last to be able to buy them because of this. And many of the really cool guns (Taurus subcompact .45) never make it here.

~ dan ~

 

The only conclusion I can draw from this statement is the really cool guns are the ones most likely to fire accidentally.
I love the thinking of gun people.

 

Not sure I would want to buy a gun blind; one thing I've found to vary a fair bit between guns is the grip, and one thing about the more "compact" guns is typically that they're too small to fit in my hand and thus are very uncomfortable. Some people have the reverse problem of a double-stack being too wide to wrap their hands around.
Note I can't comment on anything with a barrel length <4"; as those aren't available around here.

At the least, check the reviews for comments on grip vs hand-size / find one of the guns - probably even a replica - and check the grip is comfortable and extends the whole height of your hand (or you can add a little pinky-finger bit to the clip to make it fit).

On the other hand, a gun you're going to carry a lot and hardly shoot, grip might not be important. Except that it alters your aim and accuracy; and then it becomes vital.


Even more off-topic (checks.. pancakes.. yep). A part of America without gun stores and ranges? How? Where?

 

You're welcome. I just got off the range and put about 300 rounds through my P229. Glocks are very good guns as well. Many people who have shot both think the Sig shoots a tighter pattern, is more reliable, and is easier on the shooter after several hundred rounds. It is the weapon of choice for the Dept. of Homeland Security, FBI, and several other agencys. The Coast Guard just ordered several hundred thousand Sig P299s. I am biased, as just before Thanksgiving I went through the research you are going through now, and chose the Sig.

One big difference may be the cost. The Sig I bought new off gunbroker.com from a dealer for $770. They usually cost (depending on the model, but the P229) around $860 and up depending on the model and accessories. I think the Glock can be had for under $600, some for under $500.

I hope you will spend some time on a range firing and getting to know both your weapons after you buy them. Take them apart, clean them, and do this often, especially when they are new. This not only will help keep them clean and assist through the break in period, it will help you get to know your weapons. Even the clips. Take them apart, clean the insides and the spring.

I too have a carry permit, and I can carry concealed on about 30 states. Please be responsible with yours. Get to know your guns well. Shooting can be fun, competition shooting is great fun, and they can save your life. They can also take it if you are careless, reckless, or have been drinking. Sorry, but as a former National Park Ranger and Federal Agent, I felt compelled to throw that in.

let us know what you buy, and how you like it!!