Guns. Which one should I buy.

I wouldn't buy a gun from them then, how accurate is a gun that has been dropped multiple times?

 

This is another reason to 'try before buying'. Pistols with wider magazines can be more of a challenge to hold/control under fire when recoil is an issue.

There are speed loaders that make loading a double stack magazine a matter of feeding the cartridges and not having to push down against the magazine spring.

How so (real ammunition being 'easier' to load than plastic)?

If you bought the pistol that was dropped multiple times, that might explain the problems you are experiencing with accuracy. The drop test is a measure of safety, not durability/ability to produce tight shot groupings.

 

Still my all-time favorite:



Nicely balanced, fits well in the hand, very low recoil. Stopping power leaves something to be desired, though. (Always get the ducks but never can down that damn dog.)

 

I love it! You know you can just shoot the scoreboard and every shot counts as a hit, right?

~ dan ~

 

How do I put this gently.

Glock 30
Glock 21
Xd-45
Sig 221
Springfield, Kimber, s&w 1911

 

If you aren't carrying with one in the pipe you should not be carrying at all.

In a high stress situation you will lack the fine motor skills or the time to rack a slide to chamber a round. If you are going to carry, carry Condition 1.

 

It is definitely an interesting decision process...

The OP seems to be going about the decision process in a novel manner. Not trying before buying. Getting a concealed carry permit but not carrying with a chambered round. I wonder what the objective is.

 

Re: It is definitely an interesting decision process...

If I could get a CCW here in northern California I'd be a lot less worried about driving my Mustang in certain areas. And yeah, if you're out with your concealed weapon, you've got to be racked and ready.

~ dan ~

 

That mentality will get you hurt. A firearm should not be used to dissuade anything. It should be used to stop a threat. You should not present your weapon until you are going to fire it. For self-protection and safety while carrying, DAO with a chambered round is the way to go in my opinion.

Edit: OK. I just saw your last post and realized we were thinking of two different situations, home protection vs. concealed carry. Since I don't have any children, I keep the home protection piece in the same state as the carry piece.

Modern semi-automatics do not 'fire accidentally'. People do 'accidentally' pull the trigger all the time though. Please try to stay on topic. The OP is genuinely concerned about making a correct decision about an important purchase.

 

Hey! no shooting the ducks!
<grumble>

Agree with patrickindallas, if you own a gun for "self defence", if you ever pull it out, you have to be prepared to use it; or it will be taken off you and used against you
Sometimes it's easier to live life in a (nearly) gun-free nation.
Except the first weekend in May. That hurts.

 

Re: It is definitely an interesting decision process...

Doesn't this say it all?

Not feeling like a real man.

 

Nah, Hollow points, gotta have hollow points !!!

 

Re: It is definitely an interesting decision process...

Well, if the objective is to feel like a 'real' man, then go for a Desert Eagle Mark XIX in either 6-inch or 10-inch barrel. Combined with .50 caliber ammunition, ain't no one going to f**k with you. Pull out the Mark XIX and just point it at the bad guys and they will s**t their pants. The Mark XIX has more intimidation factor than even a 12 gauge pump shotgun loaded with 00 buck. (Plus the Mark XIX is easier to carry concealed.)

 

Don't need no hollow points with the Mark XIX....

 

Legend has it, Men who want to feel Big watch TV and see the Desert Eagle 0.50AE and think this will make them Big so they buy one.

They take it to the range and fire it. Their first shot is generally on the target and often close to the bulls-eye. (it being a fairly accurate gun)
Every subsequent shot goes wild, often missing the target completely.
Why? Because after the first shot they are concentrating more on having the gun not fly back and smack them in the head, and less on actually hitting the target!

Desert Eagle is not recommended for personal defence. I've heard it is good at bowling over a 1/4 scale Chicken at 100 yards. Aah, metal silhouette. Yet another good use for a handgun that doesn't involve shooting humans or ducks.

 

But, I am starting to think that the objective is to not have to fire the pistol that is to be carried concealed. In that circumstance, the Desert Eagle Mark XIX is IDEAL. What was the quote from Dirty Harry?: I know what you're thinking. "Did he fire six shots or only five?" Well, to tell you the truth, in all this excitement I kind of lost track myself. But being as this is a .44 Magnum, the most powerful handgun in the world, and would blow your head clean off, you've got to ask yourself a question: Do I feel lucky? Well, do ya, punk?

Can you imagine what would be going through the mind of anyone the OP drew a Mark XIX on???? With that 1/2 inch diameter barrel staring them right in the face.... A .45 caliber barrel is big enough, but .5... that would be enough to cause anyone facing the business end of a Mark XIX to wet their pants!

 

My thought would be " Gee I can empty my magazine on my 45 before that Deagle clears leather."

Desert eagle is a fun fun toy, but a horrible defensive handgun. Recoil too stiff for follow up shots, impossible to conceal, and too expensive to practice with.

 

On top of that, let's face it: staring down the barrel of a short-barrel (or very-short-barrel) shotgun and looking at the gleaming hollow points of two 12ga. 3" magnum slugs is the most intimidating experience there is.

Seriously, the Desert Eagle is more of a "reputation" gun and if you're going to fire it you'd better have a lot of practice and a stiff wrist. I'll take my .357SIG Glock 33 or, if you want a higher caliber (not necessary in my book) in a small package, the Glock 36 is fierce. Glocks are reliable, inexpensive, and accurate and I think for the money you don't get a better compromise of reliability, accuracy and durability.

~ dan ~

 

man, I just checked out that Desert Eagle... WOW!! that would certainly intimidate me !! I think I would have to start carrying my Mossberg 500 Persuader with pistol grip to even compete with the intimidation factor

**edit** actually I just finished reading Dan's post above. I must agree that as far as bang for the buck, Glock is a good gun. They are about half the price of a Sig, but they are simple, hence not so many breakdowns, relatively easy to clean, and although IMHO not as accurate as a Sig, very accurate in their own right. They are indeed a good compromise of reliability and accuracy. I'm not familiar with their durability though. I'll have to read up on that..... **