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Battery dead yet again...

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by fish_antlers, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. fish_antlers

    fish_antlers New Member

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    Small battery that starts the prius dead over and over.... I've had to keep it on a charger just to use the car.. complained when I was at the deale getting oil changed... one nice fellow had a new battery ready to install.... two union beaurocrat morons wouldnt install it for whatever BS paperwork reason...

    Took my car back with no fix... kept driving and talked to other local dealer... they told me best to have it towed in when it's dead instead of me recharging it. That was easy... drove it yesterday... dead this morning... called toyota and made them send a towtruck.

    hopefully someone fixes it this time.

    grrrrrr.
     
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    I have a 2007 Prius and this had NEVER happened to me. I let the car sit for about 9 days this past week and it started right up. In December I left it in the garage with the map lights both on for 36 hours and it still started OK. I've got to believe you have something seriously wrong the dealer should know how to fix.

    Good luck
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    Either your battery is no good, or there's a current drain somewhere. I assume you're not leaving a door open or a light on. (The dome light has an always-on position, I think.) Insist they fix it under warranty.
     
  4. fish_antlers

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    Guess what! It's dead! Just like I told them it was last time it's dead...

    FINALLY they are replacing the battery under warranty.

    Very very painful... you try to be proactive and tell them there's a problem but they don't believe you unless your car comes in on the back of a tow truck.
     
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    Doh!

    Same year, same package, same problem.

    I just came back from the dealer.

    Last time I was there for an oil change I ask the tech would it be the battery, he told me no. He said Prius will warn me if the battery is bad.

    Today the car won't start up and have to be tow to the dealer.

    So who ended up paying for your towing service?
     
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    Answer me one question. Do you use the smart key lock every single time without exception? You know set the alarm using the door button? Even in the garage? If not you have most likely left your rear hatch ajar (dome light) and killed the battery. Only have to really deplete it once and it will never be the same again.It will go dead on you at the most in opportune time.Setting the alarm will prevent that. As stated here maybe 50,000 times.
     
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    I set the alarm using the door button every time. Even in the garage.

    I think battery is problem. I have seem where it wouldn't start at first then after a couple of try it would start. The tech at Toyota said he checked for event code but wouldn't find any.
     
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    i took my prius after 25.000 miles to sunnyvale toyota and complained about a bad cell and i got a new battery installed FREE and i even got
    a business card good for an external detail.

    keep bugging other toyota dealers, or call toyota corporate and complain
    if that doesnt work.
     
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    they have to hook it up to a battery tester to check the 12v there
    should not be any codes stored
     
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    The motorcycle size 12 vdc is the weak link for a Prius. Once it becomes chronically undercharged, it is easily damaged and must be replaced

    If anybody suspects their 12 vdc battery is undercharged, they should completely remove the battery from the car and charge it with an automatic battery charger set at 10 amp. This is the Toyota recommended procedure from the PDI

    It's fairly trivial to find unusual current draws. Assuming the technician actually knows how to use an ammeter

    Given the fragile nature of the Prius 12 vdc battery, and the huge replacement cost, for those who infrequently drive their Prius a float charger is a good investment. The float charger can be left on all the time without damaging the 12 vdc battery, the better ones will also desulfate the battery
     
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    HA hahaha! :D

    Tell you when it's dead; that's a good one.

    This works on the same principal that a desktop computer will tell you when it's unplugged. There go those Japanese racing ahead of American technology!
     
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    So what should I tell them to check if it's a intermittent problem?

    Here what the display look like when I tried to start the car:
    Picasa Web Albums - Alan - Prius problem

    This does not happen all the time.
     
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    As usual guru Jayman is right on the mark...but I would go one further and no matter what the cost replace that battery. Kick & plead at the dealer or work out a partial coverage on new batt. Make it go away. There is post after post the last few months complaining of once dead now nuisance battery.Like Jayman says hopefully they got a tech there who can clamp on a ammeter real quick on a dead state and see what the stand by draw is as you just might have some ground leakage there beating your batt up. It will be tiny draw so any ammeter will do. But most likely first time dead deep discharge now it will leave you time & again.If it was me I'd only get towed to the dealer once over that little pain in the arse battery. Good luck.
     
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    I absolutely did nothing wrong.. the battery was defective and tested as defective. Everything was covered under warranty by Toyota, including the tow. Very bad business IMHO... they could have saved their company a lot of money by simply replacing it when I pointed out to them it was malfunctioning...

    oh well.. I guess Toyota has lots of money to waste away towing people's cars etc.

    ANyways... looking forward to driving the car and not worrying constantly about it not starting.
     
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    I sure hope the dealer followed the PDI to the letter. If that 12 vdc battery is chronically undercharged, as I would expect a "new" battery that had been sitting in a warehouse for 6-12 months, you could very well have trouble with it too
     
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    Since you are a senior member, I need to reply to your 10 Amp charge. The owners manual says not to charge above 3.5 amps. What is your take on this?
     
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    I have a three year old Honda Pilot that has only been out of service for one hr. My Prius 3 months old, has not been running since Monday (dead battery). The earliest appt I could get is Fri morn. The extended warranty doesn't cover the battery but I called Toyota and now have a case #. Waiting to hear from them. I am (is this a family web site?)
     
  18. jayman

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    The Toyota PDI (Pre Delivery Inspection) for the Prius clearly states to use their fancy shmancy Toyota automatic battery charger at 10 amp setting. Their dealer battery charger is made by Associated

    If the battery is completely flat, you may even need more than an initial 10 amp to get it to take a charge, especially if the battery has had a chance to freeze.

    When I was having trouble with the battery in the diesel tractor at my hobby farm around 3 years ago, I needed to set my Schumacher commercial charger to 60 amps before it took a charge.

    With respect to the owner manual, methinks Toytoa does not want us monkeying around with the car. But if you have any experience with batteries, you also know a charger set at 3.5 amps or less isn't going to work

    I had posted the Prius PDI in the past, not sure if it still exists on the forum. Since the new forum software was installed a couple of months ago, I'm unable to attach any pdf's

    Let's hope your dealer knows what he is doing. This could become a royal PITA for you very quickly, if it already isn't
     
  19. jayman

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    Yeah I can guess what you want to say. I turned the air blue when my Prius had the Stall, and really turned the air blue when the Trac left me stranded in the middle of an intersection at Waverly and Bishop Grandin, almost ran over by oncoming traffic

    Given how new your Prius is, I now very much suspect the dealer failed to follow the Prius PDI to the letter. It clearly states the 12 vdc must be FULLY charged before delivery to customer.

    I'm going to try to send it to you as a PM (Private Message). If that doesn't work, I'll PM you my Yahoo email address, and I can send it to you directly.
     
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