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I'm a "Verm-Mom"

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by Godiva, Jan 21, 2008.

  1. Godiva

    Godiva AmeriKan Citizen

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    I went to my local nursery (City Farmer's Nursery in San Diego in case you're in the area) and picked up some potting soil, some organic seeds and then blew $155 on a Wormtopia apartment building and 200 residents.

    I'm a Verm-Mom.

    My little red wigglers will be moving in tomorrow. I got home too late to set it up properly. I'm reading the literature tonight. If I ever fall a little short on something for them to snack on City Farmer's says I'm more than welcome to bring a bucket and a shovel and help myself to all the horse manure I want. Worms love it.

    In the mean time I'll be cleaning out the refrigerator tomorrow and mixing a little welcome home snack for them. Composting is neo-new for me. I did it when I very first moved in to my house but when the fence and flower beds went in, my compost heap went out. I've never done vermiculture before.

    I am redesignating one bed nearest the kitchen back to herbs and garden this year. I've got some seedlings from my parents and I'll be starting other seeds this spring. I'm expanding my repertoire. I used to do tomatoes, basil and parsley. I had a really nice sorrel plant I lost when the brickwork went in. I've just bought a nice sorrel to replace it. Before I lost my raised bed planter to the fence I did carrots, spinach and lettuce but haven't since. I'll be doing those again. I miss not having enough space for cantalope and cucumbers. So the menu is: tomatoes (cherry and plum), lettuce (two kinds), spinach (two kinds), carrots (three kinds), parsley (Italian and curly), basil, celery, cilantro and chives so far. I also have a Bay tree. I'm going to add green onions but haven't decided if I'll go with seedlings or seeds.

    I don't need a big garden. I learned that the last time. I couldn't eat the lettuce fast enough. I planted two six packs! Oops. So I'll plant the seeds have in little starter pots and give half the seedlings to my parents. They have a much bigger garden.

    I found some great stuff at City Farmer's. Red spinach. Red carrots.

    Next up? This summer (Or maybe Easter if we get a lot of rain) I need to clear out across the southern face of the garage and redo the drip irrigation. I want to put in espaliered fruit trees there. Lime. Orange or Tangerine. Or both. Maybe even an apricot. Not sure if I can manage three or four trees. But I want to train them flat up the garage wall. The southern exposure should be great for citrus. The garage has just been painted and that was the only thing holding me up.

    By the time the trees go in, I should have plenty of nice worm poop for the trees.

    I'm not doing fertilizer or insecticide anymore. Only natural stuff. That way I don't have to worry about making my worms sick.

    Now I need to come up with at least 200 names.
     
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    Yay! good for you!
    Post photos when you get it set up (or, the process of getting it set up)...
    I've been interested in wormy-culture for a long time. :)
     
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    This is what I got:

    Sunleaves Wormtopia

    There's four floors and a basement for the worm tea. (worm pee) You mix the tea half and half with water and it's supposed to be great for houseplants.

    The worms start on the first floor and gradually migrate up as they eat, leaving behind castings with are very good for mixing with dirt. Natural fertilizer.

    The worms are from Sharon's Worm World but I suggest you find a local source as close to you as possible. Call around to your local nurseries. If you can find an "organic" nursery they'll probably have the bins and the worms or can order for you.

    Here are some hints from her brochure I got with the bag of worms:
    Never use oleander, foxglove or other toxic plants (I would assume that also means poinsettia). do not use fresh pine,pepper or eucalyptus as it is very acidic and aromatic and will chase your worms away. Thoroughly water and saturate the soil and mulch.


     
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    I added some kitchen scraps to my compost pit today and turned it over to cover up the new material. I found that it contained thousands of earth worms in big balls. I never have seen so many, guess the really liked the remains of Christmas dinner.
     
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    LOL. I was worried I wouldn't produce enough 'garbage' for them to eat. No meat or milk products allowed. But I see not only can they eat greens and fruits but also coffee grounds (which I won't have because I don't drink coffee) and also tea bags. AND bread and pasta. I had no idea I could put bread or pasta left overs in there. Also hair clippings, tissues and crushed egg shells. And of course shredded paper. (Be sure to NEVER use the glossy color stuff from magazines or flyers.)

    I've got some nice wet, half decomposed leaves in the yard I'll be putting in there tomorrow as a house warming present.
     
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    Congratulations, Mom! If you keep those little guys healthy, you'll have to come up with many more than 200 names. "My" compost helpers are all vacationing a few feet under in the relative warmth, but there's lotsa good stuff waiting for their return.
     
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    Brilliant. I'm scheming right now of ways to plant stuff indoors so that I can get a head start on the growing season. It's 7deg outside right now, so I cant till my garden plot or mix in any of my compost, which is also frozen solid at the moment. I'm looking forward to the next growing season. The last one was so dismal, I think the soil was knackered and I didn't have enough compost built up yet.
     
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    Don't have that problem in So. Cal but it is still to early to start the tomato seeds.

    Do you do glass? Bell jars or frames? My Dad starts seeds in December that way. I've got lettuce seedlings from him started that way. Also parsley and some chives. My Mother bought him a little portable plastic greenhouse that just zips up. He also has wood frames that he places large pieces of glass over. Seems to work quite well for our climate. If I lived in the real cold I'd have a real, framed little greenhouse with recycled window glass. (And I wouldn't leave my little wigglers outside.)

    The nice thing about the little Wormtopia is that it's portable. I don't know how heavy it will be all full and functional. I won't have to move it as it won't be lower than 40 degrees where I'm putting it. City Farmer's keeps their worms outside in a big wooden frame on the ground year round. But if I lived in a much colder or hotter climate I could move the little apartment building inside when it got too cold.
     
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    Congratulations! I know a guy with an indoor worm bin for 10 years which consumes all his paper towels. Red wigglers moved into my outdoor compost from somewhere in the universe and now their progeny number in at least the zillions. Hurray for gardening! Do keep us posted on how the little tykes are doing.

    Oh yeah, I have a Prius too. Plenty of room for buckets in the back.

    -Composter
     
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    Well, you've probably eliminated your chance of spreading any residual pesticides from your food scraps into your garden by using worms to perform your compost. From what I've read, worms do an excellent job of breaking down these harmful chemicals. If using differing compost methods I've read that one should let their compost sit for at least an entire year to allow the pesticides to break down into more inert compounds. Unfortunately, some pesticides break down into more hazardous compounds than the originating chemical. That would be me. :(

    You're going to be amazed at how quickly your scraps will break down (excepting in colder temps) and amazed at the degree to which your waste will be reduced.

    Try to site your compost bin where you believe you'll want it permanently as based on turning my matter, the bin may get too heavy to move depending on how big it is.

    Since you're eliminating insecticides from your growing practices (good on you!), you should pick up a book about organic growing methods as you're bound to encounter pests.

    Yum. Home grown organic veggies. My favorite. If you find some stuff missing, don't presume that it's a rabbit. :)
     
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    You can also throw old clothing in there (clean, of course), small chunks of paper, weeds, old flowers, "biodegradable" packing peanuts, and all your veggie trimmings.

    Thank you for the link! :)
     
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    I think I'll always be able to move it. I can always take each tray off one at a time, then move the base with the "tea" and restack. I'll be restacking periodically anyway as they move up.

    I have a really great book called "Tiny Game Hunting" that is all about controlling pests naturally. Or at least with as little harm to the environment as possible.

    http://www.amazon.com/dp/product/0520221079?tag=priuschatcom-20[​IMG]
     
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    I got a real compost bucket for Christmas - one of those decadently shiny pails - and I've taken to filling it halfway with shredded paper before I start adding the compost. It gives a better balance in the composter, and makes the bucket not so icky. It even has a lid, so we should have fewer fruit flies in the kitchen this summer.
    When I dig out the backyard composter, I usually dig down deep enough to equal the volume of the bin, and the half-done stuff goes in the hole, with the now-empty bin on top. By Fall, I've got twice as much mulch as I would otherwise.
     
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    Have any composters noticed any detriments from spreading compost that has the residual pesticides present? I'm guessing not since I'm the only one that seems to continue to be concerned about this. I did read a case study where an orchard was killed off due to this. I think it was Dow that was performing the investigation. Maybe that was an anomaly?
     
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    Godiva, if you welcome a balance of insects (like paper wasps) to your garden, you can let nature rid you of the pesty insects. A lot of these "pesty" insects will be butterfly larvae (whites dine on mustard family, Black Swallowtail on parsley and dill, etc.). If letting the wasps and other predatory insects manage the caterpillars, some will survive and most won't. This will will eliminate a significant amount of damage while letting some insects reproduce. I'm guessing this approach will save you a lot of work, if you can accept some damage to your garden. To give you some idea of the efficacy of these wasps, I installed my native plant garden three years ago and have yet to have a butterfly larvae make it to an adult. Even the ants eat them. They don't even care if the caterpillars contain toxins. Diversity will save you a lot of time and frustration.
     
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    I want to know more about indoor vermiculture. Is this really feasable? I'm in MN, and when it's below zero, I'm in no mood to carry a daily pail of scraps to the other end of the backyard through a foot of snow. Besides, when I'm watching an 18 month toddler, I can't take the time to take that trip out to the garden without neglecting my parental duties. My concern is odor and possible mold or bacterial issues that could spread to the lettuce garden it would be located next to.

    I garden year-round in the basement, and if it doesn't create odor problems, an indoor worm farm to feed my year-round lettuce garden would be great (haven't had to but store lettuce in years!). I currently use fish emulsion for fertilizer, but my wife always complains about the smell for about 2 days after I use it. It's also 30-40 bucks a jug. Worm compost could allow me to replace the fish emulsion and allow a more conveniant way to get food scraps and paper towels out of the garbage with little extra effort.
     
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    Indoor vermiculture should be quite feasible. It might even be more productive than outdoors, because you've got a steady temperature year-round. Odours and mould shouldn't be a problem if you're careful with what you put in. You also need to be more careful than you would with an outdoor composter, because your 'pets' need to be fed regularly. I tried it once with all the earthworms the neighbourhood kids could find, but it wasn't successful. The worms seemed content enough, but they really didn't eat much. When I learned about red wriggler worms, that made all the difference. You should be able to stop using the expensive and smelly fish fertliser, and have even better produce.
     
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    How are red wigglers as fishing bait? Potential dual use crop?!
    I'm having visions of a chute from my kitchen, dropping right on top of the warm farm! I'd have plenty of food for them. My lettuce patch produces buckets worth of scraps every month that I take outside, but could instead feed to the worms. Add in daily kitchen waste, including a fair amount of paper towels, and I think I can support a rather large population of wigglers. I think the main challenge is the wife! And building my own instead of forking over $155.
     
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    A chute sounds convenient, but it would get dirty quickly, and all the food would drop in the same place, which isn't a good idea. I'm sure you can find a plastic bin (not clear - red worms don't like light) and drill a bunch of holes for much less than $155. Apparently red worms are sold as bait, but they should bring a higher price as composters if you're really looking for a cash crop. They're high in protein, too, but don't even suggest that to your wife. :D

    Try a websearch for 'worm composting indoors', and you'll find all kinds of useful information.
     
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    I haven't used pesticides in years through simple neglect of the garden. When I did, it was mostly for aphids. I put a systemic on the roses for mildew, food and whatever else ails them. But for the rest of the garden I mostly had aphids or whitefly if I had anything. I switched to an insecticidal soap for the occasional aphid infestation on the fuchias. When I see leaves being eaten I usually search for the catepillar and squish it. I prefer to leave the aphids for the ladybird beetles if they can handle it. I do NOT want the ants herding and harvesting the aphids. And I *do* have ants in the garden.

    I find earthworms in the dirt when I turn it so my soil can't be that bad. But they aren't the kind you use for composting. For that you should use the red wigglers. And yes, you can fish with them. But as was said previously, if you can get a really good farm going, there's more money in selling them, selling their casting and selling the "tea". If you produce enough to sell, you might want to contact a local organic nursery to see if they're in the market but chances are they raise their own.

    There are several bins that would work indoors. What he said above.