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10,8 volt on aux batterie

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by Flying White Dutchman, Jan 27, 2008.

  1. Flying White Dutchman

    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    he guys and ladies:)

    i just masured a 10,8 volt on the aux batterie
    the prius stil works fine!
    its the one with keyless entry and used for short trips home-work-home
    so maybe it not charging anough.
     
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    If it works fine, I'm wondering how you measured the voltage? That is, did you get a reading off the screen itself? What brand of DMM did you use? Is the DMM calibration current or is it in need of calibration?

    Did you measure the voltage directly at the battery? If you measure at the underhood jump point, even a teeny bit of corrosion will give a falsely low reading

    For example, if I check the voltage under the hood of my Prius at the jump point, I got 0 the first try. I used an emory cloth to brighten up the jump bolt and a bare bolt nearby. Then I got 13.24 vdc, which is correct as I still had the VDC Battery Minder plugged in

    If the battery really was 10.8 vdc it would be unable to power the relays
     
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    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    i measured at the battery in the back of the car directly on the poles

    x2

    and stiill 10.8 but OK i will see of its durty and try again or maybe read it from the service menu.
     
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    What brand of DMM are you using to check the voltage? Many cheaper brand DMM's have very poor calibration.

    Also, check the probes on the DMM. A poor connection on one of the probes can cause a false reading. A low battery can also cause false readings even before the Replace Battery indication is given by the DMM
     
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    Flying White Dutchman Senior Member

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    i also checked the diagnostic menu now from the prius

    10,1 firts time and 9,6 volt:D a second time going to the diagnostic menu!:eek::eek:

    and 12,1 e next time!!:mad:
     
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    Something is not right then. If the voltage truly was that low, by rights the car shouldn't even boot up

    A commonly overlooked trouble point is the teeny wire that goes from the neg post to the unitbody. There is a small bolt that secures the ring terminal to the unitbody

    I checked that bolt about a year after I got my 2004 model, when I had my battery out, and the bolt had corrosion on the threads. If the corrosion gets bad enough, that could cause a poor connection
     
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    well ok!

    where is the unitbody located?

    i found the battery in the back of the car. and the unitbody i dont now!
     
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    The unitbody is the metal shell of the car. I found this photo, but apologies to the person who took it as I've forgotten who it was

    This photo was taken from in front of the battery looking rearwards. The red plastic cover over the positive post has been removed. You can see the little ground wire, the one with the rubber band on it. The bolt that secures the ring terminal to the unit body has a tendancy to corrode.

    You can't see that corrosion unless you loosen up the bolt to expose the threads. Once you loosen up the bolt, snug it back down. That alone will break the corrosion

    If all the driving is very short trips, see if there is any sort of maintenance or "float" charger available in the EU. The one I use is designed to work on 120 v, 60 Hz, and will not work on EU mains
     

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    ok
    lets see if i got it!

    there is a bleu round circle around the + and - off the battery

    the - connector thats where the white colored band is on the black seal of the neg cable? that one?

    edit

    can i place a normal battery there or is that nog alowed for safety? ( placing a wet battery )
     
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    miscrms Plug Envious Member

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    At least in the EV circles I've encountered, its highly discouraged to put flooded/wet batteries inside the vehicle. Under various circumstances the battery can vent Hydrogen gas in to the vehicle, and in an accident you have the danger of hot sulphuric acid splashing around.

    Rob
     
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    yes! thats wy i am not going to do that

    but i have also seen leadacid batterys explode inside cars....

    about the corosion on the wire i am thinking that this is maybe not the problem
    i also maseured with a DC meter directly on the pole's and it was 10,2 now!
     
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    Yes, the cable with the rubber band on it is the negative cable. Corrosion on the bolt that holds the ring terminal to the unitbody can cause a poor connection.

    The Prius 12 vdc battery has a vent tube so if there are H2 gasses produced, they are vented outside the passenger compartment. So hopefully no kaboom.

    There is another thread on this forum about a replacement Optima battery having a vent tube provision
     
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    There is a vent tube on the Prius 12 vdc battery. I had a hard time fiddling with it due to my ape arms

    The 12 vdc battery in my Prius clearly has free electrolyte in it. I've had it out a couple of times and if you shake the battery, you can see the electrolyte sloshing around
     
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    That happened to me once. I was trying to jumpstart a co-workers truck at -36 C. Apparently the battery had froze. I made the last connection - the neg cable - to my vehicle on the alternator frame and BANG his battery exploded

    I think I needed new underpants after that ...

    So perhaps just the short trips are catching up to that battery. I'm surprised it will even power on with the voltage that low.

    Is there any chance of you getting a battery maintenance charger? The ones I recommend only work on North American 120 vac 60 Hz mains, not the usual 230 vac 50 Hz mains in the EU

    Whatever charger you do happen to purchase, make sure it is rated for indefinite use, that it is a "float" charger, not a "trickle" charger.
     
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    ok
    so with the vent i can place any type of battery.

    i thinking about trying to fit in a bigger one with more capacity

    AND:)
    i just got a solar penal 2 watts.... to keep the aux battery powered:)
    juts dont now if 2 watt wil be anough

    dont now the current draw off the prius when its standy closed

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    agree. However, if using a quality DMM directly on the battery indicates voltage lower than it should be, and the car has been going dead, there is either a parasitic drain or the battery is chronically undercharged.

    If the battery is going low or dead in bitter cold temps, it needs proper charging. When I had trouble with my Prius in winter of 2004, the dealer couldn't find any parasitic drain and the resting current was around 30 mA. I checked and also couldn't find any unusual current draw

    I think a combination of the constant voltage source, bitter cold temps down to -40, headlights always on, Max Heat, and constant electric rear window defrost all took their toll. It should be noted that since I started using the Battery Minder, no more problems

    If there was excess parasitic draw, or a shorted cell, the Battery Minder would be unable to charge. My model is current limited to 1 amp, and voltage limited to 14.2 vdc
     
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    No, only a sealed battery equipped with a vent port to hook up to the vent tube. As far as I know, one Optima model - and the standard battery that is in a Mazda Miata - will work in a Prius. The Optima has more capacity than the standard battery

    From this information I gather you must park outside all the time? A 2w solar panel may or may not work, but it's essential the solar panel have some sort of regulation built in

    My Prius standby power drain is usually around 28 mA steady-state. I'm not sure what the spikes are when the brake boost pump runs.

    For those wondering what happens if a Battery Minder is plugged in and the power goes off, they typically draw around 12 mA off the battery
     
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    ok thx

    today i put the mfd on diag again and its syas 9,6 volt!!

    cars start without trouble!

    then i go to the battery and measure directly and get 10.35 volts!

    maybe toyota changed the prius software so it wil start on lower bat. power because of all the complains about it?

    and maybe even keep the bat. failing outside the waranty!
     
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    This is strange

    Oh, a EU market car doesn't have the thermos or the coolant transfer pump. Maybe that lack of extra load is what is keeping the car going?
     
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    dont now!

    i mean i now that a battery going down to -10 volts is bad!!

    9,6 volts is afcource not directly from the battery buth from the prius sensor.!

    10,xx from the battery directly!

    tomorrow or so i get my solar panel and wil place the battery under charg
    and see what happens

    the solar panel is made for charging a car battery!

    i wil make installation picture's and post them!
     
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    charged it again today

    and then i noticed a boiling noise cumming from the battery
    so i stopt the charger!!
    after 30min its was stil making a popping/water boiling noise!

    the car stil works and starts!:D

    dit i overcharge it?