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Toyota will have to wait at least one more year

Discussion in 'Other Cars' started by malorn, Jan 23, 2008.

  1. hill

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    Being wrong, he's changed the topic . . .

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    .... so now he's typing about fleet vehicles. Well if troll boy wants to talk fleet vehicles ... Consider how I'm making it my personal goal to encourage Disney (my employer) to stop buying GM guzzler garbage SUV's as fleet vehicles ... as GM is claiming that because they have E85 stickers on the back, that they're higher mileage. Can I describe how happy it made me, when I dropped off corective documentation to our Companies, "Powers that be" ?? I've loaded them with literature on the virtues of the Lexus & Toyota hybrid SUV's. Doing my little part, to end the foolishness, thankyouverymuch.
     
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    Disney will not buy foreign vehicles. The "powers that be" have some understanding of macroeconomics.
     
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    You mean besides their Chinese GM products? They already do buy other foreign made vehicles, with more to come, giving us hope that they do in fact understand macroeconomics.
     
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    What defines a "foreign" vehicle?

    Our 2001 Toyota Avalon was assembled in Kentucky using parts from the US, Canada and Japan.

    Our 1997 Ford Explorer was assembled in Missouri using parts from the US, Canada and Mexico.

    The only "foreign" vehicle I own is the Prius which was assembled in Japan but has Goodyear tires (manufactured in Japan by a US company)

    Are my tires "foreign"?
     
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    For a second forget about your prius.

    You are telling me it is better for the economic well-being of the citizens of the United States to purchase a Toyota than it is a comparable Ford or Chevy? What exactly do you think causes the US trade deficit with Japan which will come in between $60-$70 billion in the automotive sector alone? That money is currently being loaned back to the United States to keep our runaway deficits afloat, do you think that is a good thing for yourself, your kids and grandkids? This current economic meltdown we are in has been caused by the deficit of trade, the wealth created for generations is leaving this country incredibly fast, almost $2 billion a day, $83 million an hour, $1.4 million a minute.

    Some of you think it is cute?
     
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    So you feel better because a couple hundred dollars of your Prius was produced in the United States? Toyota imported more than 1.1 million vehicles in 2007 and most of them had less US content than your Prius.
     
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    If your toyota and Ford had exactly equal US content, it would still be better for the US economy if you bought the Ford. The profit and a good chunk of the overhead figured into the cost goes directly back to Japan. Last year Toyota made around $16 billion dollars of which it is estimated 50-75% comes from the US business.
     
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    Ford doesn't make a vehicle which can get 45+mpg on my daily commute. Neither does GM. I don't want to contribute to the dollars leaving the US to buy foreign oil. Foreign oil is oil that we import from other countries. Our money used to buy the foreign oil leaves the US economy.

    I'm sure others have pointed this out but you are wasting your time preaching to the Prius owners. GM does not offer a car to compete with the Prius. You should go berate Porsche owners who should have bought a Corvette or Nissan Titan owners who should have bought a Silverado. At least you would have a slim chance because GM actually has a product to compete with those vehicles.

    Wouldn't it hurt the US economy if GM decided to close auto parts factories in Michigan and transfer that production to Mexico? If they eliminate all the manufacturing jobs in the US, who is going to be able to buy their cars? Will it be the people in Mexico who are now building the parts?

    I'm not happy about it. I didn't put a smiley face in my post. But it is the reality.

    Back to the original topic: Does GM get to count those cars built in China to keep their #1 status? Does it really matter? I don't think so.
     
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    I reckon that 1 Prius purchased in the US sends about $17k to Japan, and avoids sending about $9k to the countries from which the US imports oil (over its service life, and compared to typical sedan mpg). Somebody else might get different results. A VW diesel sedan import might work out about the same.

    There may not be *any* primarily made-in-America cars that will only send $8k petrodollars overseas during their probable service lives. Unless they have very short service lives :)

    Vehicle lifetime net trade deficit. This is not the only way to evaluate a new car purchase decision, of course, but it's something to think about.
     
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    He doesn't care about petro dollers (caused in great part because of giant land boats) going to terrorist countries ... only that no ones buying land boats that get poor mpg.
     
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    I am worried that the United States of America is being destroyed one industry, one factory, and one job at a time. It took generations to build this great country and its wealth and it is being removed at the rate of $2,000,000,000 a day. Our politicians along with the media have been are wined and dined and continually drillled with propaganda showing how foreign investment is helping the US. 61% of all consumer goods are now made overseas and nobody is doing anything about it.
     
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    I am worried that the United States of America is being destroyed one industry, one factory, and one job at a time. It took generations to build this great country and its wealth and it is being removed at the rate of $2,000,000,000 a day. Our politicians along with the media have been are wined and dined and continually drillled with propaganda showing how foreign investment is helping the US. 61% of all consumer goods are now made overseas and nobody is doing anything about it.

    About the Land Yacht and Petrol comments, Toyota sells more Tundras than Priuses.
     
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    Which is why you should be over on the Tundra board trying to convince them to buy a Tahoe or a Silverado instead. Good luck with that.

    Come back to the Prius board when GM has a vehicle that exceeds the mpg and emission performance of the Prius.
     
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    I got an idea, Screw nafta and screw trading all together. People whine and complain the us economy is failing. People should buy more items MADE IN USA and sales gone to the USA unlike toyota and other foreign vehicles sold in the US of which we never se a dime of the sales.
     
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    Yeah!, I'm going right out to Wal-Mart and get me some American-made stuff I can't live without.