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Do you think the U.S. Post Office delivers to every address in the U.S.?

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  1. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I just got back from my daily walk to the Post Office. Today I walked through temperatures in the teens to find one piece of junk mail in my box. The somewhat pointless exercise today got me to thinking: I bet many people in the U.S. think the U.S. Post Office delivers to every address in the U.S. Let me be the first to dispel this notion. Our Post Office does not deliver to every address. Some places, like our village, have no delivery. We have to pick up our mail at the Post Office. If I moved out into the country, then they would drive it out to my house for free, but not here in the village.

    It's not a big problem, but it can be inconvenient. Take shipping packages, for example. If I order something and give the vendor our street address, then the Post Office will not deliver it. They will send it back, because our street address does not exist as far as the U.S. Postal Service is concerned. I can avoid this problem by using our Post Office Box number (eight, by the way; our address is P.O. Box 8 - one digit; how cool is that!). If I do use a P.O. Box, then UPS and FedEx won't deliver. I have to know in advance how the vendor intends to ship, or write a small essay on the order explaining that no, the U.S. Post Office does not deliver to every address and hope some semi-literate person in the shipping department actually cares.

    The problem can be even more subtle. Some online retailers use the U.S. Post Office database of addresses to validate any address, even though they ship UPS or FedEx. This is a Catch 22. If I give them our P.O. Box, it gets kicked out because UPS and FedEx will not ship to a P.O. Box. If I give them our street address, that gets kicked out too, since the U.S. Post Office claims our street doesn't exist.

    The worst problem is with some official government forms, where they insist you use a physical address and not a P.O. Box. That is a real problem. You can only hope the Post Office has mercy and decides to find your box. Normally they don't.

    It does have its amusing aspects. I have my own zip+4 address. In other words, my nine digit zip code is just my local zip code plus my box number. For example, if my local zip code was 12345, then my nine digit zip is simply 12345-0008. If you knew my real zip code, you could mail a letter to me with only those nine digits.

    Oh well. Maybe I should complain. I'm sure the handful of us in this situation constitute a formidable voting block.

    Tom
     
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    My brother was doing missionary work several years ago. I sent a letter to him:

    Duane
    Punta Gorda
    Belize

    Got there no problem.

    But when I was in the Republic of Ireland, my parents shipped me a box that was returned as "address does not exist." What the shipper failed to realize was that it was NOT going to Ireland, Indiana. I did eventually get that package.
     
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    I almost moved to the Village of Point Lookout on Long Island last month (but decided to stay in NYC), where it's the same set-up -- no USPS deliveries to individual homes or apartments, so the residents have to go to the post office to pick up their mail.

    It all sounds illogical and unfair. I can't think of a good reason why the USPS should be allowed to get away with this.
     
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    I really wouldn't care if the Post Office would map our street addresses into P.O. Boxes. I other words, it's not the inconvenience that bothers me, it's the addressing confusion and Catch 22. It shouldn't be that hard for them to do. After all, the Post Office is perfectly capable of finding a house based on an address, so why can't they find my P.O. Box based on my street address. It's silly.

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    We used to work that way too, but automation has eliminated that possibility. If a letter or package can make it to our Post Office or UPS driver, it will get to the intended person. The problem is that most of the sorting occurs upstream at some large sorting center, and anything not "properly" addressed gets kicked out and sent home. For years my in-laws didn't know their street address. Their address was just their name, the street, and our village. I miss those days.

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    Reminds me of following the directions "first left, second farm on the right" in Saskatchewan, many miles from pavement. :)

    Hey, does the post office have a street address? What if you were apartment 8?
     
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    The term P.O. Box indicates that the box is at the Post Office, not a box in an apartment. As for being in an apartment, you still have a P.O. Box in our village.

    We use descriptive addresses too. Many of the directions around here involve historical references, such as: "Drive west till you pass the old Wilson place, then take the two-track on the left." Never mind that the old Wilson place burned down 20 years ago. It's hard on new people and delivery men.

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    A good reason to allow UPS and other privates to compete for letter delivery service.
     
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    Almost every shipping address label has TWO "street address" fields for just this sort of thing.

    Name Here
    PO Box #
    Street address
    Town, State, zip.

    That way, it's all covered. :)
     
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    That doesn't work either. If you put a P.O. Box in the address, even on the second line, UPS and FedEx will refuse to take the package, so the online retailers will reject the address. Remember, too, that the street does not exist in the USPS database, so anyone using that database will consider it a bad address. Sometimes I can fake them out by putting Box 8 in the second line, and leaving out the P.O. designator.

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    On the one hand, I can see where your inconvenience would become a PITA, especially on days when you've better things to do with your time than walk or ride to the PO. On the other hand, some may think you probably have many more significant benefits by living so remotely that far outweigh this inconvenience. For one, you can probably "smell" your trees. I smell a lot of deisel. Does this help? :)
     
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    Once upon a time I lives in a small inner suburban semi-detached house which had no letterbox. Rather than put in a letterbox I go a post office box. I had to pay an annual fee for the post office box but for the added security and less confusion (our street numbers were a bit of a mess) I never minded paying it. I didn't check my mail every single day but I checked it on my way home from work which took me past the post office. With no letter box the unaddressed junk mail had no way to find me too, pretty cool.

    In rural Australia the mail doesn't go to every home either, if you live near a main road you are generally OK but there are roadside mailboxes in clusters where mail is left at the end of back roads for pick up. These mail boxes can be 44 gallon drums, tool boxes, old milk cans, anything that can be secured and keeps the mail dry. It is the price you pay for the life you live.
     
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    Lol. But it's still not an excuse for the USPS. If Tom lived outside the village in a more remote area he could get his mail delivered. Point Lookout, the village I was considering moving to that the USPS also doesn't deliver to, is just your typical suburban town in Long Island. USPS delivers to all the suburban towns contiguous to Point Lookout, but not to Point Lookout.

    Tom needs hope and change. Vote Obama.
     
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    we still get letters for someone with a different name, same house number, different street, different city...

    :rolleyes:

    it must concern them gravely when they get their letter on the 4th delivery attempt and it's covered with
    "delivered to wrong address"
    "no really, this isn't ours, please deliver to address on letter"
    "i'm not kidding, please deliver to address listed on letter"
     
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    That's more like I was thinking. You know there's no 'apartment 8', and the postmaster knows there's no 'apartment 8', but the bureaucratic brain doesn't have to know...I thought maybe if the post office had an address in the database, it could have 'apartments.' ;)
     
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    A couple stories:

    First, my grandmother has PO Box 1. I never forget her address.

    Second, I have a friend who received a letter addressed like this:
    (AOL screen name)
    ????
    (Town name), VA
    Basically, there was an alias, and the town and state. No street address, no PO Box, no zip code. The letter was meant for her, and it was not returned.

    OK, I'm done with my stories. Thanks for reading...
     
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    Another one that works for letters is to use "P.O. Box ?", like this:

    John Doe
    P.O. Box ?
    MyTown, MI 12345

    That doesn't fix the delivery problems with orders, but it does get around not knowing someone's address. You can look up a street address in the phone book, but the Post Office will not give out P.O. Box numbers. At least in this little village, putting "P.O. Box ?" gets the letter to the local Post Office, and then the Postmaster (John) takes care of the rest. Btw, the UPS man is Dan and the FedEx guy is Jerry. We know them all on a first name basis. They put packages in my car when they see it parked in a spot that is more convenient than stopping at the house. One Christmas Eve Jerry the FedEx guy stopped and asked if he could leave a package for someone else. It was sent overnight to her store, but the store had closed at noon. He thought it must be a present or it wouldn't have been sent overnight, so he wondered if I would see her at the community Christmas tree that night. I thought I would, so I took the package and it worked out fine. We have a village tradition of meeting at the community Christmas tree on Christmas Eve and singing Christmas carols. It's nice.

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    The 4 towns in the valley where I live have only PO Box delivery and I face the same problems that Tom does, PLUS I must pay $100 annually to have my box. (I could have a minuscule one for free, but since I don't retrieve my mail but once every 7-10 days it would fill up then I'm faced with the postmaster holding my mail for retrieval during business hours which are not convenient for most of us and never on weekends). Still, there are advantages to small town living like never taking the keys out of your car, not locking your home (I got one key 15 years ago when I bought my house, but have no idea where it is), having no secrets (therefore not having to remember which lie you told to who), recognizing a 'stranger' as we know all the neighbors, and yes, we can smell the trees, watch the salmon spawning in the back yard, and know we are breathing the freshest air possible as it just came off the Pacific. Where I live it DOES take a village to raise a child, celebrate new births and mourn the passing of an elder. Still, it burns me up to write that $100 check for the privilege of getting my mail, but remembering when I was a kid we had mail delivered to our house TWO times a day for free.
     
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    I remember those twice a day mail deliveries. I also remember when first class postage was 5 cents (makes us sound like old farts, which of course we are, but I'm not ready to admit it).

    Apparently our lack of local delivery stems from a USPS rule that prohibits a post office from delivering to addresses within 1/8th of a mile of the post office unless the address is on the normal path of a mail carrier. In other words, you can have your mail delivered if you live farther than 1/8th of mile away from the post office OR if a mail carrier passes by your house anyway. The Postmaster of a post office is prohibited from gerrymandering the delivery routes to cover addresses not otherwise eligible for home delivery.

    It's a simple rule, and it makes sense, but it doesn't solve the confusion with addressing. The addressing problem is what bothers me. I wish there was a way I could map my street address into our P.O. Box, so we didn't have to use the P.O. Box address when ordering.

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    Hmmm ... it still sounds like hooey to me (and in any event, it violates most everyone's fundamental sense of fairness ... they should change the rule if that's what's actually stopping them from delivering).

    I live across the street from my post office in NYC, and they deliver to my apartment.

    In the Village of Point Lookout (in Nassau County, Long Island, NY) where I was considering moving to and which the USPS also does not deliver to individual addreeses, most of the Village is more than 1/8 mile away from the PO, and the USPS will not deliver to any address in the Village.