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Discussion in 'Fred's House of Pancakes' started by bredekamp, Mar 10, 2008.

  1. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    Sorry. In as little as 3 or 4 billion years, you'll have to stop driving your car, as you and it both become vaporized. However, the oceans and all surface water will have long since boiled away, which means there won't be any more beer either, so there won't be much point in driving any more.

    You're joking, right?

    Hey, there is plenty of energy to be had for free without dreaming about perpetual motion machines from con men. There's a giant thermonuclear reactor that comes up in the sky every day. Put up a windmill or some photovoltaics, or if you live near enough to running water, a microhydroelectric generator. Free and real.

    Here's what I don't get: With the sun and the wind offering us all the energy we need, why do people continue to believe in the crap posted on web sites of the kind that jrmason links to in his post above??? It's like chewing on wax fruit while you're sitting in the middle of a pineapple grove at harvest time.
     
  2. patsparks

    patsparks An Aussie perspective

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    When someone claims their vehicle is powered by oil the oil changes state in the process of creating the power, your car is powered by the potential energy of water (at a high place) to do work not by the water itself. Once the potential energy has been captured the water is still water the only change has been the altitude the water is now at. It is gravity powered however if not for the energy of the sun lifting the water to the higher altitude giving the water its potential energy there would be no way the energy could be harnessed. Gravity is simply trying to return the water to where it came from.

    Your car is solar powered.

    Funny thing is in parts of the world (like here) electricity is used to pump water to give it potential energy to flow to homes and businesses for consumption.
     
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    Well Daniel,

    When the people of the site putting all the work up there for you to judge for free, and let you take their diagrams and efforts all again for free and make your own project to check on the validity. Did I happen to mention it was a free site? They don't even ask for registration or money.

    The guys I would watch out for would be the ones that make the Hydrogen generators and sell them on E-bay. With the simplistic design build it yourself and try it out.

    Jon
     
  4. daniel

    daniel Cat Lovers Against the Bomb

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    IRRELEVANT!!!

    The oil changes its condition by being burned. The water changes its condition by moving from a higher elevation to a lower elevation.

    My car is actually powered by the gravitational potential energy in the water due to its elevation. Gas powered cars are powered by the chemical energy in the bonds within the molecules of the hydrocarbons.

    My car is powered by falling water the same way a water wheel is.

    It's water powered. Electricity is merely the carrier.
     
  5. TJandGENESIS

    TJandGENESIS Are We Having Fun Yet?

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    Okay, that's real wordy. Brains and all. Sheesh.
     
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    hyo silver Awaaaaay

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    My main form of transportation is powered by bananas. OK, yeah, they're 'solar powered', too. Which, ultimately, is driven by a balance of thermonuclear expansion and gravitational attraction. And, without the gravity to literally hold everything together, the thermonuclear part would have overwhelmed all life before it could even start. So, it's gravity. :wacko:
    Even at the bottom of the hill. :blink:
     
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    Right on. I've got one of those parked in my driveway. :D

    Maybe I can pickup some modification tips for space travel on the free energy website. :cool:
     
  8. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    I'm driving away, as depicted in Monty Python's Meaning of Life.
     
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    Bullshit Daniel, it's electric but the "energy" came from the sun, was stored as potential energy and coverted to electricity then stored in your car as chemical energy. None of the energy came from the water.
    I guess it is powered by the big bang and before that, who knows what powered the big bang.

    Something to grasp at [​IMG]
     
  10. daniel

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    By your logic, All energy is solar energy. Fossil fuels are just transformed plant matter. Uranium for nuclear reactors was formed in a star whose supernova contributed the matter that eventually formed our solar system. But if ALL energy is solar energy, then the term becomes useless. Petroleum and coal are two forms of solar energy. Wind power is another. Hydroelectric is another.

    Water stores solar energy in gravitational potential, the same way the hydrocarbons store solar energy in molecular bonds. So my car is water powered the same way your Prius is gas powered.
     
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    Emphasis mine. This is not very far fetched. In the world of petroleum geology the idea of fossil fuels being "highly concentrated" solar energy is an oft used model for describing the generation of petroleum. Of course, the field of geology is largely based on categorizing fossils, strata, etc. and then arguing ceaselessly about whose classification is most correct. It is an exercise in splitting hairs. :argue: (hint hint);)
     
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    :focus:

    Here's some interesting new engine designs. It is unlikely though that you'll see them anytime soon. Car manufacturers have invested so much in the current piston engine design that they'll be reluctant to go to anything else. I guess that the combustion characteristics of the current piston engine is well understood. I applaude Mazda for being brave with the Wankel Rotary. Why do they gulp fuel like that anyway? Wouldn't gas turbines be more efficient? It would be kinda cool, if my car sounded like the bat mobile. Remember the way KITT sounded in Knight Rider?

    I vaguely recall the germans or french bringing out a car with a rear mounted gas turbine in like the 50's or 60's....

    Go see:

    Category:proposed engine designs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    Nutating Disc engine...sounds very Star Trekkie...or is that Trekker?
     
  13. daniel

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    I'm a big fan of the Stirling cycle engine, an external-heat engine. I own two small fully-working models. This type of engine is very efficient, but is very slow to respond to changes up or down in heat input. This makes it completely unsuitable to a conventional car, which must respond immediately to the accelerator pedal, but it would be perfect in a series hybrid, where the battery completely isolates the engine from the propulsion motor(s). And it could burn any available fuel, from gin to kerosene to liquified swamp gas.