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Low rolling resistance tires for my truck?

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  1. MountainStone

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    I notice the new advertisements for Chevrolet's Tahoe and Silverado hybrids mention several features other than the powertrain aimed at improving fuel economy, one of which is low-rolling-resistance tires.

    I drive a 2003 Chevy Avalanche which gets atrocious mileage, but is the most fuel-efficient option that meets my needs. I'll trade when the hybrid option becomes available in the Avalanche in a few years, but in the meantime I am curious whether the LRR tires developed for the Chevy truck hybrids would provide a noticeable difference in fuel economy on my truck. Does/has anyone run LRR tires on a larger vehicle with poor fuel economy and noticed the difference? I do not know if they are the kind of thing that makes a big difference or one of the strategies employed to gain every last percentage point after the major strategies have already been employed...

    Thanx for your thoughts on the matter!

    P.S. I am on PC researching our next car purchase (wife's car), so you don't have to try and sell me on a Prius; I'm pretty much sold already!
     
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    Howdy Asian neighbor! I don't know if the 'good tires' will be available for you, and (frankly) how much better they are. I suggest that you inflate your current tires to as close to the sidewall max that you are comfortable with.

    I think that tire RR will matter most at low speeds, At highway speeds wind resistance predominates, especially for, shall I say, the square-shaped vehicles.

    I appreciate that you want the best fuel economy in your truck, so pump the tires, accelerate gently and keep the top speeds down, and combine short trips as much as possible.

    There is no magic bullet, other than cars like Prius that make everybody look good :D. Keeping track of your fuel economy will help to show what works best for you.

    I infer that you are military posted in SK, so big thanks for putting your butt on the line. Hope your work there goes well, and that we will hear from you again.
     
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    Well, let's turn this around a bit. My Prius came with Goodyear Integrity tires that are supposedly LRR. I found their performance on rain soaked highways scary, and in winter forget about it. So I put on Michelin Harmony.

    No difference in fuel economy

    My FJ came with some Dunlop Grandtrek tires that were even scarier on rain soaked highways. Had them replaced with Goodyear Fortera TripleTred, although I use dedicated Toyo Open Country G-02 Plus studless snow tires in winter

    I also haven't noticed any difference in fuel economy running my FJ with the stock tires or the TripleTreds. The only difference is that on rain soaked highways, my FJ is one hell of a lot safer

    You will probably gain more by keeping the tire pressure up. Don't run aggressive "off road" tires unless you really need to. Co-workers with suv's and pickups swear by the Michelin LTX MS. They are a smooth comfy tire with long life and good economy, not so great in snow and terrible in mud

    I used to have a 2000 GMC Sierra with the 5.3 Vortec. Not sure if your model still has mechanical throttle or throttle-by-wire. Make sure the IAC valve and passages at the TB are kept clean, that has a big impact on driveability and economy
     
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    You may notice me poking around here contributing where I can. I am indeed serving in South Korea as an enlisted member of the Air Force; I rotate back to the States in October and we will be purchasing a car for my wife at that time. I expect gasoline and diesel prices to be hovering around the $4-per-gallon mark then, so I am educating myself on fuel-efficient transportation options.

    My 1500-series Avalanche does use the 5.3-liter engine with drive-by-wire throttle. I am having my wife take it in to have the throttle body and fuel injectors cleaned, as well as some other maintenance. I don't run off-road tires since i don't venture farther into the wilderness than typical soft roads, but I do need tires capable of getting my truck and boat up slippery algae-coated boat launches as well as up and down the snow-covered roads to the ski resorts and occasional high mountain passes.

    The question may be moot at this juncture since I cannot find a supplier of the new LRR truck tires; by the time I return home the new Hybrids will be on the streets and I assume tire availability will follow shortly.

    Thanx to you both for taking the time to reply!
     
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    LRR tires should help at all speeds. Sticky tires will noticably reduce MPH in the 1/4mile even if all factors are kept equal (60' and shifting).

    I doubt it would be economical to dwap out perfectly good regular tires for a set of LRR tires but when your current ones wear out it may be an option. That is if they ever become available and are affordable. :)
     
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    The Integrities aren't LRR tires. The 1st gen Prius came with LRR's, but not the 2nd.

    I'm with F8L, wait until you need tires, and then look for LRR tires. Perhaps finding a tire's rolling resistance will be easier then. I n the mean time just keep the tire pressure up, and check out sites that have tips for improving any cars milage, like cleanmpg.com and gassavers.org.
     
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    Make sure whoever works on the truck knows what they are doing. The idle speed will be haywire unless they properly clean the TB and reset the idle

    Locally, Canadian Tire is famous for using a vicegrip to pinch the fuel return hose to clean the injectors. Proper injector cleaning is done with a special machine that hooks up to the fuel rail, and proper technique is to pull the fuel pump relay

    With our -40 winters there is so much vapor in the motor especially during winter city driving, that a yearly TB and IAC cleaning is necessary.
     
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    Hydroedges have one of the lowest roling resistance numbers around. They come on sale at Costco once or twice a year. Finding these roling resistance numbers is hard. Seems they guard 'em like it's a national secret.
     
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    I am wrenchy so I usually do my own maintenance and repairs (the awesome auto hobby shop on base makes it easy) but I am making an exception and having my wife take it to the local Chevy dealer. They actually remove the injectors from the truck and clean them on a machine on the workbench. They charge almost $250 for the service, but you can't get better injector cleaning than that methinks (short of one of the few injector blueprinting companies). They'll also do the TB, but I'll have her pay particular attention to the idle quality when she retrieves it. Thanx for the heads-up.


    Agreed. I suppose 99% of the population is unaware that tire choice can effect fuel economy, but I suspect that will change when fuel prices pass $4 per gallon. Once Michelin (or any other major manufacturer) begins marketing a tire's low rolling resistance technology, every other manufacturer will jump on the bandwagon. Hopefully they'll emboss the info right alongside the treadwear rating on the sidewall.
     
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    Yep, that is the Gold Standard way to clean fuel injectors. Not sure if you will notice any difference though. I never cleaned the injectors on my 2000 GMC Sierra, and even running crap Canadian gas 4 years, had the same fuel economy

    The rear axle is already synthetic filled from the factory. Transfer case is probably AutoTrak and is filled with the blue AutoTrak fluid. Might or might not be worth switching the front axle to a synthetic gear oil
     
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    I changed all the fluids to Royal Purple synthetics about a year ago (except the damned proprietary Autotrak fluid). Didn't track any MPG changes, but quality synthetics make me feel better about driving a truck I purchased used.

    I saw an episode of Trucks! a couple years back where they strapped a Dodge 4WD on a 4-wheel dyno to get a baseline, changed all the fluids to synthetics and then dyno'd the truck again. They gained something like 25 horsepower. Neat.
     
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    The AutoTrak stuff is blue, and appears to be good oil. I changed it in my GMC every fall, but that didn't help the 4wd switch cluster from repeated failures. Never had a problem with the actual transfer case though

    My G80 had a bit of slippage/chatter until I started using CRC LSD additive in addition to the Mobil 1 gear oil
     
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    That seems like an aweful lot of HP gain from just fluids. I'd like to know the other parameters. Total HP/TQ, forced induction or N/A, ambient temps, engine temps and intake air temps for both runs, time between runs, density altitude for both runs etc.
     
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    I believe the Autotrak fluid is synthetic; it just makes me mad to have to go to the dealer to buy it when I get everything else on base in one stop. My 4WD switch cluster hasn't given me any trouble, but the 4WD encoder motor/sensor in the transfer case has failed on me. This shows up as weird lights on the 4WD switch. Apparantly every GM product with the Autotrak 4WD has this problem eventually and it took GM forever to figure the ultimate cause. My G80 hasn't given me any problems, and has bailed me out of a couple low-traction situations without having to engage the 4WD. I am pretty happy with the truck and I plan on trading it for a new Avalanche when Chevy equips it with either a diesel or the 2-mode hybrid.
     
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    The gains were impressive. I think the truck was modified, and who knows what kind of condition the old fluid was in. I agree that all the relevant information you cited would give a better picture of what was actually accomplished.

    Won't it be nice when manufacturers start using in-wheel electric motors and drivetrain losses become a thing of the past?
     
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    Heck yeah! Parasitic loss is the devil Bobby Boucher! :D

    *modified Waterboy quote*
     
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    My 2000 had the message center, not sure how the newer trucks work. When the switch cluster failed, the message center would say "SERVICE 4WD" in scary amber letters. The switch cluster failure is a well documented problem on the 2000 Chevy/GMC trucks

    Up here they will sometimes act up within a year, especially after the first winter. It stands to reason the G80 will get a lot more use in winter driving conditions.

    The G80 combines clutch plates with a mechanical action to lock the clutch plates. So like any clutch plate axle, once the additives get used up you will experience slip/chatter from the rear end

    This is also a common problem with HD and commercial equipment that use wet brakes and wet clutch systems, such as front end loaders, tractors, etc. The fluid is shared by the differential, wet brakes, wet clutch, and hydraulic system, so it has hard use.

    In that application, a fluid change will usually restore proper operation. Not a cheap process, typical fluid capacity is 40 litres