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Forget global warming: Welcome to the new Ice Age

Discussion in 'Environmental Discussion' started by amped, Feb 25, 2008.

  1. F8L

    F8L Protecting Habitat & AG Lands

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    The principle behind Kyoto is not bad it is the numbers that are bad. It would not create a significant drop in CO2 output levels even if every country signed onto the protocol. We would need much stricter numbers to achieve a significant drop. :( That being said the economic costs are not as great as some would like to make them out to be. In fact many studies show that is economically beneficial!
     
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    LOL. Well, if by your last sentence you somehow think I'm part of some sort of vast fossil fuel conspiracy, you are wrong. Anyway, I'm not against electrification of transportation. In fact, I applaud it. I have read recently that there is speculation that the solar industry is on the verge of a sort of Moore's Law effect. I think this is stellar news and I can't wait to solarize my lifestyle at a cost that is orders of magnitude less than what I could do it for today. I think we need to drive innovation and diversification of our energy supplies away from fossil fuels. There are just too many problems (political and environmental) with fossil fuels, whether one believes AGW is a threat or not. But, that does not convince me we are due for the CO2 induced crisis that the media, politicians, and many environmental advocacy groups claim.
     
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    I think my concern also is that the management and accounting of "carbon credits" is fraught with political considerations and compromises. I know no system is going to be perfect, but I think Kyoto has demonstrated many of the problems in determining what is a fair level of emissions for each country, what can be "counted" as a carbon reduction, how an industry's carbon emissions levels are determined etc. Coming from a background in economics, I have always felt that "externalities" should be accounted for. In the case of CO2, the T3 tax strikes me as compelling. In any case, one could argue that the weak dollar has become a de facto carbon tax. ;)
     
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    ah, global warming.....

    old news of age old agenda, only if you know where to look:


    "In searching for a new enemy to unite us, we came up with the idea that pollution, the threat of global warming, water shortages, famine and the like would fit the bill ... All these dangers are caused by human intervention and it is only through changed attitudes and behaviour that they can be overcome. The real enemy, then, is humanity itself."

    — in http://www.amazon.com/First-Global-Revolution-Report-Council/dp/0671711075, pp.104-105 by Alexander King, founder of the Club of Rome and Bertrand Schneider, secretary of the Club of Rome

    The First Global Revolution (Paperback)
    by Alexander King (Author), Bertrand Schneider (Author)
    http://www.amazon.com/First-Global-Revolution-Report-Council/dp/0671711075



    Club of Rome is the Elite Think Tank behind ideas such as "Sustainable Development" and "Global Warming" like the Rockefeller Brothers Fund.
    Henry Kissinger is one of his member - as many like who is also a member of the Council on Foreign Relations (CFR) - a Rockefeller's organization founded by one of his agent Colonel House - and one of his secret president has been Dick Cheney by his own confession see his video speech here.
    Originally this group was organized in 1968 by the Morgenthau Group and the majority of Club of Rome executives were drawn from NATO (North Atlantic Treaty Organization).
    During the period 1968-1972, The Club of Rome became a cohesive entity of new-science scientists, Globalist, future planners and internationalists of every stripe.
    The Club of Rome is famous for promoting the idea of "Limits to Growth" like in a 1972 book modeling the consequences of a rapidly growing world population and finite resource supplies. This is just the same kind of Malthus ideas when he wrote An Essay on the Principle of Population.
    Not astonishingly, critics have charged the Club of Rome with "Neo-Malthusianism" and strong elitism in its membership, which interlocks with European power elite groups such as Bilderberg (with such members as David Rockefeller) and to a lesser degree Anglo-American elite members.



    The Club of Rome: the environmental elite [Rockefeller's CFR] think tank

    The Club of Rome: the environmental elite [Rockefeller's CFR] think tank
     
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    tripp Which it's a 'ybrid, ain't it?

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