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Serious Aero Mods -- Japan?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Accessories & Modifications' started by Rokeby, Mar 15, 2008.

  1. Rokeby

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    Here's something from the GasSavers.org site for those interested in serious aero modding. It seems to be a Japanese effort.

    Very slick, includes rear skirts, upper grill block/removal, extended hood, and lots of other interesting details that bear close scrutiny.

    http://news.windingroad.com/wp-gallery2.php?g2_itemId=36021

    I like it!

    But, given the overall tightness of the work, I don't understand why the wheel skirts aren't flush with the body at their upper edges where the existing body panel line is well outside the wheels.
     
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    Seen already on PC.
    Personally I don't like it. It looks like it was designed by a committee. Why does it have a giant ugly muffler under it?
    Don't like spats, they look like bin lids.
    Style doesn't flow from front bumper to sides. Looks like bumper and skirts are from different kits.
    Silly recess in front bumper
    Rear bumper is just OK

    I'm not saying I could do as good, just I don't like it.

    I do like the rear spoiler, what I can see of it.
     
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    Pictures 3 and 4 show clearly that they completely blocked off the upper grill.

    I'm a little surprised by the extrusion of the back wheels' skirts. With the other mods being so aero and fitting, those seem almost after-thoughts.
     
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    Whats a "spat"?
    I agree on the recess in the front bumper. Maybe flat was too bland? But it does seem unnecessary.

    One more thing I like is the paint job. Namely the roof and the spoiler. I think Tideland would look good with dark tints and the roof/spoiler painted black.
     
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    The idea of trying to improve on the Prius' already outstanding Cd of 0.26, if I remember correctly, seems like an exercise in futility. Granted there is always room for improvemet, but how much and at what cost?

    From readings here and there, I believe that something like folding the rearview mirrors might net Cd improvement in the fourth decimal place, removing the mirrors entirely might show gains in the third decimal place.

    That said, it sure is interesting to see what efforts are being made in this regard. I also recognize that one strong element in this Captain Whiz-Bang pursuit may just be ego; Looky what I got!

    Other not Prius specific fuel economy/high MPG websites have aerodynamics forums. I find it fascinating to read what owners of other cars are thinking/doing to try to get their Cd lower. Many times they are trying to create something that the Prius already has!

    As an example, "wheel dams." These are little deflectors that send the air stream around as opposed to directly into the malestrom of air surrounding the spinning tires. Initially I found it hard to believe that this was an area that might produce significant results. Then I went and checked my 2008 Prius. Yes, the dams were already there. Somewhat substantial one at the front, vestigal little things at the back. Clever these Japanese.

    "Out of sight, out of mind." While the full-on aero body treatment is visually engaging, from my readings I suspect that the area most likely to net the greatest improvements is under-body sheathing to keep the air moving past the aerodynamically dirty mechanical bits.

    Not at all sexy, it would even be hard to picture them effectively to promote sales. I suppose you'd have to be able to show before and after Cd numbers to have any chance of marketing them. That means a wind tunnel, and that would be an expensive proposition for sure. Ergo, you don't see anyone proposing a group buy on underbody sheathing because it isn't out there to be bought.

    (Yes, I know there are less technological ways to approximate Cd numbers. But we all know that such an approach would just lead to another stiffening plate like imbroglio/food fight.)
     
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    Have you looked under the car when its on a lift? There are already plastic panels to smooth out the body under the passenger compartment and some fairings added to shield the pivot area on each side of the rear axle beam.
     
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    OK, time for some come-backs:

    It looks to me that the muffler is in its normal and customary place. Here it is visible because the rear bumper is cut away, presumably to allow freer exit to air running under the car. It looks to be the OEM muffler, but then it could be the infamous TRD "fart can."

    Surely, a continuous straight across lower edge would prevent the maximum amount of air from going under the car. I think the raised section has to do with road debris. Given the chance, you drive around road debris. But if that option is not available you try not to run over it with your wheels. Only option left is to drive over it. The raised section would tend to minimize damage. I suspect the mini-dams at the outer edges are meant to serve as wheel air dams.

    Fortunately, it hasn't yet been necessary for me to go underneath yet. All I know about the "dirty side" of my Prius I learned from this string:

    Prius aero mods (undertrays, grille block, mirror delete...) - Ecomodder.com Fuel Economy Forum

    It sure looks like there are still plenty of opportunities to smooth things out under there.
     
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    This vehicle is fitted with wheel spats that fit the way they should fit!
    [​IMG]
     
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    One of us misunderstood. What I was talking about was the indentation in the front bumper. When looking at the fourth picture, it's above the lower grill and gives an angular smiling appearance.
     
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    More come-backs:

    Bob, Oops, newbie error. I haven't seen the underside of my '08, so I'm in the dark figuratively speaking.

    Here's a picture of the underside of an '04:

    http://privatenrg.com/index.45.jpg

    The green is owner added fairing. Could I assume the '04 and '08 underbodies are similar?

    Pat, I'm with you on this. I not only like the cleaner fit, I like the lower scalloped edge. If I were to do/get skirts/spats, I'd want the lower edge to clear the lug nuts when the car was on a jack for flat tire removal and the suspension was unloaded. Also, the straight lower edge just looks "heavy" to me.

    Tony, I'm the confused one here. I looked closely at the pix and now see what you mean. Now I see what looks like the one-great-tooth, lame-brained grin of Barney, the purple what-cha-ma-call-it! Now that I don't like.
     
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    Hey, Pat, that's a cute little truck..the one with spats...or do you call it a wagon? Estate car? It looks perfect for camping. Is this a custom job, or something commercially available?
     
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    I think its a Ford Falcon (AU style). I took a photo of one when we went to New Zealand. Its sort of like an El Camino or Ranchero with a built in camper shell.
     
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    I've taken a look under my 2008 and while there is a long clean underbody at the passenger area, I suspect that the front and back could use some cleaning up.

    Here is some info on the latest in OEM super-clean underbody treatments:

    The Audi A4: (Double-click for enlargement.)

    audi-a4-with-Cd-deltas.jpg

    And the Honda iCDTi:

    OEM Bellypan - Honda iCDTi - Ecomodder.com Fuel Economy Forum

    Here is an extensive DIY treatment, the pix tell the story. ( It's a Honda, don't know the body style.)

    http://www.metricmind.com/ac_honda/pan.htm

    And another on a Volvo 960:

    Pictures of custom undercarriage mods. - GasSavers.org - Helping You Save at the Pump
     
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    It is a HK holden Panelvan. About 1969.
    It was commercially made and were very popular for tradesmen and surfers.
    It is built on a car floor pan with enough room in the back to make a bed up and cupboards. No you can't stand up in it. Many were customised for recreational purposes, commonly known as f^(& trucks.
    In 1974 Holden released the Sandman, with wheels, seats, front panels and dash from the Monaro and fitted with the Australian designed and built 308ci V8 engine from the Monaro. There was also a Sandman Ute built on the same principals.
    [​IMG][​IMG]
    Chrysler followed with the Drifter and Ford continued to make crap. Oh they made panelvans too. None of the car manufacturers customised the inside rear, that was left to the individual owner.

    Dogfriend, never tell a Holden driver his car looks like an AU Falcon, ever! Not if you like all your teeth to remain in your head.
     
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    No need for the wheel nuts to be accessible with the spats in place, well designed spats can be quickly removed to remove the wheel.
     
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    I wonder if completely blocking off the upper grill is safe? And I also really don't like the rear spats. In fact, the rear of the car looks like a Honda Insight IMHO. :eek:
     
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    Geezus, you Holden drivers are a violent breed aren't you. :D
     
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    Here is some both very interesting and very convincing information on the
    likelihood of getting largish Cd reductions by concentrating efforts on the
    forward and underside of a vehicle:

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    (I do not know why these cites are being renamed "Browser Warning,"
    which happens when I hit <Review Post>. I've tried them out and they still
    work at the time of this posting.)

    As a teaser, this info:

    "(The car is unnamed but it is likely a soon-to-be-released Volvo, ie a
    current, aerodynamically designed car.) [current is 2005]
    "As a percentage of the total drag coefficient of 0.29, the various elements
    that make up this drag are:

    "Parts---------------------------------------Percentage of Total Drag
    Cooling package...............................................33.4%
    (including radiator, intercooler, oil cooler, etc)
    Exterior...........................................................31.7%
    Front wheels....................................................13.1%
    Rear wheels......................................................6.9%
    Floor............................................................... 6.9%
    Rear Axle..........................................................3.1%
    Engine..............................................................3.1%
    Front Suspension................................................1.4%
    Exhaust............................................................ 0.7%"
    From AutoSpeed, March 9, 2005

    All in all, these articles suggest that for maximum Cd improvement per
    dollar spent, looking to get cooling air quickly and smoothly out of
    the engine compartment and going to a different front dam/spoiler and
    underbody sheathing would be the way to go.

    The second article deals specifically with adding some underbody sheathing
    to the front end of a Gen I Prius.

    Sadly to say, there is nothing here speaking directly to the efficacy of
    "skirts" or "spats" over rear wheel openings. At this point I am thinking that
    they probably rate very low on the list of what might provide significant
    improvements. I say sadly because they are then reduced to being only
    a styling element, that is to say, eye candy. (But I still want them.)
     
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    I like the front end mod's.
    Save the Farty Fart muffler, (grapefruit shooter) can't stand those things!
    Wheel skirts need some improvement, a cleaner finish to do away with the bolt/snaps.