Chevy Volt to only be released to select markets?

Hi again, sendconroymail,

First of all, are you talk'g about the HYBRID version of either the Altima or the Maxima (I wasn't aware that Nissan produces a HYBRID Maxima---can anybody else here confirm this?). If you've seen a HYBRID Altima in NY that's O.K., I think (NY should be one of the market states it's supposed to be available in), but as far as any in Florida, they could be just "pass'g through" unless some dealers are work'g swaps to bring some of them down there to sell for a certain few who may have requested/demanded them.

Ken (in Bolton,Ct)

 

Ok, I stand corrected. What are the 8 states?

 

Pile of Crap?, watch it ! I'm Toyota men, How can the THS II under the Nissan's bonnet be a pile of crap? It is a Toyota designed Synergy Drive! Now if you are referring to the rest of the Altima san-the Hybrid powertrain, I understand your comment.

 

Hello Ken ( in Bolton, CT )

No need to take to Nissan's service, just bring it in to Toyota service.
We have Nisssan dealer close to our Toyota dealership and the Nissan tech guys refer their Nisssan Altima Hybrid customers to our shop!
After all, THS II under the Altimas bonnet....

 

I think the pile of crap comment was to Nissan only offering the AH in a few states, symptomatic of the overall lack of commitment by Nissan. Which is a load of crap.

 

I saw the Enron documentary also. It was unethical and illegal what they did by interfering with the power in CA and on the west coast in general.

However the difference is they didn't own the product they only acted as a brokering exchange. The oil companies own the product and they can buy as little or as much, process as little or as much, sell as little or as much as they want to generate the most profit possible. That's just good capitalistic business practice. Every company does it if it has the power to do so, auto companies, steel companies, bakeries, oil companies.

I have no problem with them doing that if we are dumb enough to buy the product at their high prices. The fault lies with us!!! As a group we buy too much and burn up too much fuel. Our vehicles are generally the least efficient in the entire world, we have the worst mass transit system in the developed world, our distances driven are generally longer than the rest of the world, we drive more often than we walk or commute together and we have too many petro-fuel-burning vehicles on the roads.

These are all our choices. It's understandable since for nearly a entire generation vehicle fuel was nearly dirt cheap. Today it's not. Blaming a capitalistic business concern for what is our problem is diverting attention from the real problem. We need to change our choices of vehicles and fuels.

The capitalistic business should try to take all the money it can from us. We on the other hand should try to put it out of business by not using its product. Eventually the two opposing forces find a solution. Our economic model is based on these three basic precepts.

 

Better do a search before asking, snark parade vis a vis Nissan has already been completed. Next Q.


Edit:
Oh my Gawd,
Before one p.r. spin dies, here's the next:

Automotive Fleet

I warned malorn, if the Volt DOES ever get off the drawing board, I'd stake my life that it'll NOT be 100% made in the U.S. good ol' GM being what it is. So ~ from the article:

" ... GM is testing battery systems from different suppliers for the Volt, according to http://online.wsj.com. One is from a U.S. subsidiary of South Korea's LG Chem Ltd., ... "

I guess it doesn't matter if A123 battery systems are U.S. ... if they can't compete with the lowest bidder ... to bad.
Mexico? Korea? China? Canada? For GM, it's all good.

 

Of course GM is only going to sell the Volt in CA & FL as that is where you find Fantasyland.

IMO GM is not committed to full production so they will limit sales to CARB states.

Chevy dealers outside of CARB states refusing to do Volt warranty work wouldn't be surprising. Beacon Chevy/Olds (now defunct) refused to perform warranty work on my Intrigue. The property is still vacant. IMO no great loss.

 

Hi Rickey,

This is very interesting. Will the Toyota diagnostic laptop and/or hand held tester retrieve all fault codes logged by the Nissan Altima? Does your dealership collect warranty reimbursement from Nissan for warranty work performed?

I'm a bit surprised to hear that Toyota licensed the HSD design to Nissan - For competitive reasons I would have thought they would license older hybrid technology, much as they did for the Ford Escape.

 

Lack of commitment maybe, but I also wouldn't be surprised if it turns out that the oil companies end up paying GM off so that they drop the ball with the Volt to turn the public off of the idea of Electric Vehicles.

 

With apologies for replying to an off-topic point, I want to correct this misunderstanding, because I believe that Tesla is doing it right, even though they are forced by economics to begin with a super-expensive car:

The Tesla Roadster is available anywhere in the U.S. (or at least the 48 contiguous states -- I'm not sure about AK and HI) but if you are outside their service areas you pay an extra $8,000. That covers delivery of your car, and it covers all routine service and warranty repairs. They will send a service tech to you, and if the car needs warranty repair that the tech cannot do on the spot, Tesla will transport the car at their expense both ways.

Tesla owners are covered!

 

It was a different situation. Actually Toyota did not license its technology to Ford at all. From Toyota's website... they discovered that they were pursuing the same methodology so rather than paper the patent offices and sue each other they 'exchanged licenses' and went on about business separately. I think that there's a longer story behind this as well.

 

Besides the answer from Danny, they were listed in the link that was part of my response to your post. See http://priuschat.com/forums/prius-h...nly-released-select-markets-2.html#post594238.

 

More states have adopted CARB standards. I've heard it's up to 12. Pennsylvania is one. Maybe Florida.

Even if it is only in a select states, it is a good thing that the Volt is released. Nissan has from the beginning stated the AH will be CARB only. Until it is proven that is GM's intention, I'm not going to critize them for releasing a car with limited appeal, all PHEVs are at this point, in select markets at first.

 

Your statement is in the present tense. It should be in the future subjunctive tense: "It's a good thing that the Volt might be released at some time in the future," or the future conditional tense: "It would be a good thing if the Volt is released."

 

I'm going to criticize them until the Volt is actually released.

And knowing GM, probably after that, too, unfortunately.