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***First Post - Purchasing 2008 Prius or wait? Options?

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Main Forum' started by GoBeyondGreen, Apr 9, 2008.

  1. GoBeyondGreen

    GoBeyondGreen Go Beyond Green

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    First post here, so bear with me. I currently own a 2006 Prius and am looking at trading it in and upgrading to a 2008 Prius. Here are my Questions:

    1. Should I wait a while and get a 2009 Prius instead of getting the 2008 now. There is no real reason to rush as my 2006 is doing great for me and I love it. Just want a new color and a few options.
    2. If I do buy the 2008 which package delivers the most bang for the buck? Right now I am looking at a package 3 or greater. If it helps I can be more specific – what options that the dealer charges for can be done cheaper and just as good on my own? Examples:
    a. Mud guards
    b. HID Lights
    c. Floor mats

    Can these be purchased cheaper at a later date and put in by myself? Anything else I should pass on at the dealership and put in myself later?

    Any help would be greatly appreciated.
     
  2. ForTheGlory

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    There are a few issues here. If you can afford to get rid of a 2 year old car, you can probably afford to buy a 2008 Pirus and then replace that with a 2010 or 2011, which will certainly be a "Generation 3" type model. The problem with replacing relatively new cars, as I'm sure you know, is that you're just eating tons of depreciation cost every time you do it.

    As for "most bang for your buck", I'd say a Package 4 is what you want. You'd basically just be giving up the leather seats and Nav system from the Package 6, and those can be added later if you want (you'd want to get an aftermarket GPS). I like the GPS system that comes with the Package 6, but I've never used a different one; others may be better.

    Demand for the 2009 Prius is likely to be enormous if there are major technological upgrades in it. This will translate to long waiting lists and big price premiums in the first year or two.

    Definitely get HID headlights on whatever car you buy. You won't be able to add them afterwards.
     
  3. JimboK

    JimboK One owner, low mileage

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    Yeah, why would you want a 2008? If you want "most bang for the buck" (using your words) and the 2006 is serving you well, it certainly doesn't make sense monetarily to trade it. :confused:
     
  4. GoBeyondGreen

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    That is a good call. I have 50k miles and want new, but you are right that it is a hit to do it. I like the new colors that were not available at the time as well. I want the Spectra Blue or the Metallic Gray. If they were available I never saw them.

    Maybe I will reconsider - you guys are talking me out of it.
     
  5. GoBeyondGreen

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    New Information found on prius.

    Oh, I forgot to mention this. The dealership I bought it from originally sold me the car without telling me it was wrecked before. I have owned it for 2 years and have had no issues, but am hacked about this now. I just kinda want a new one.

    I know, I dont need a beatdown, that i should have checked on the car. I thought the dealership was reputable, and the car had like 2000 miles on it when i got it. They told me it was new with no issues and foolish me said "OK".

    So, now I am trying to sell or trade it in for a not wrecked one. Wish I could go back to that dealer and make them take it back.

    That is part of my reason for the update in year. Otherwise I would probably drive my 2006 till it died.
     
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    I don't know this for sure, but doesn't the dealer have some legal responsibility when they sell a "new" car?
     
  7. GoBeyondGreen

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    Any help then???

    Well I have heard the same thing, but people are very vague. It seems to me that they should, but I have not heard anything 100%. Let me clarify for anyone who reads this afterwards:

    I bought the car as new from them. It had miles on it, but I was told it was basically brand new. It was NEVER disclosed to me in any way there were any issues with the car. It looked and drove perfect. It was the new year and had so low miles I didnt think anything could be wrong. Never occurred to me that it was wrecked before me.

    I spoke to the dealership and they acted shocked. They said they would make it right. Then when I went in to trade the car for a new they didnt have any Prius's and said they would not order. They quoted me a trade-in value that was less than another dealership. That is not what I call making it right.

    If anyone has any help for me I would be greatly appreciative.
     
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    How'd you find out it was wrecked before? It doesn't sound right but if what you say is true I say go talk to a lawyer, with all documents stating that the car was sold to you new.
     
  9. GoBeyondGreen

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    I found out when I recently tried to sell it. I went to a dealership just to see what it was worth in a trade-in vs. me selling it on my own. The dealership (different than the one I originally bought from) looked it over and pulled a CarFax on it.

    He looks at me and says - did you know this was wrecked? Then it all snowballed.

    I know it sounds fishy because it is fishy. I am the guy who got screwged. I can go to a lawyer and what he charges me will be more than I get from the car dealer. I might do it anyways as it makes me mad and dumb.

    Thanks, and if anyone has anything else please let me know. Hope that clarifies for you all. I have the title (not salvage), and the papers I signed when buying - nothing about disclosing wreckage.
     
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    You shouldn't need a lawer. Your state attorney general's department or consumer affairs department should take the ball and run with it! Take your documents there and lodge an official complaint. What you imply they have done is treated as a serious crime just about everywhere.
     
  11. GoBeyondGreen

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    hope so

    Well that is better news. I thought it was more of a buyer beware type of thing. I would hope it is a serious crime. What I said is 100% how it happened. I guess maybe I am saying something wrong or maybe describing the situation wrong in that the people who have responded are saying that is so far fetched and wrong that it cant be true.

    Can someone tell or ask me more specifics that can shed more light? Maybe I am leaving some fact out that makes it all better. Just seems to me that you say it is serious and the dealership is so cavalier about it - really scoffing at me.
     
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    It sounds serious to me. And not far-fetched -- I can think of several scenarios for how it could have happened. The car could have been used as a loaner by their service department when it was in an accident, or it could have happened during a test drive by someone else.

    Have you tried googling around for relevant laws on disclosure of previous accidents when a "new" car is being sold in your state?

    Also if you can get a free consultation with a lawyer it might be worth it just to explore your options. And if there's a local TV news consumer advocate reporter, maybe you could contact them.
     
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    Great ideas and thanks for believing me. I have sent a letter to my Attorney General's office. There are also some free legal discussion groups I have sent this to. I will try a free lawyer, or the reporter. No idea if we have one, or how to do it, but it is a great idea.

    Thanks, and if anyone else has ideas please let me know. There has to be a car dealer on here who has heard of a scenario something like this. Do the dealerships try to get rid of it by taking care of the issue, or is it a deny until completely called out.
     
  14. ryanj023

    ryanj023 You Mad?

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    IMO, you should wait.

    I base my decision on the fact that the wreck will depreciate the value of the car, and if it is running fine now and you are reasonably happy with it (as it sounds like you are) I would wait for the new body style.

    If you have a lot of money then i'm sure it doesn't matter if you decide to pick an '08 up. Do it big.

    Thats unfortunate about the misinformation with your car. I'd be steamed too.
     
  15. JimN

    JimN Let the games begin!

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    Magnetic Gray was new for 2006. Spectra Blue is new for 2008.

    In NJ the 1st document created in the sales process is a Motor Vehicle Retail Worksheet with 4 categories:

    New (car is not titled. It has a certificate of manufacture.)
    Used (car was titled. Title was transferred from the seller to the dealer.)
    Demo (not sure about title status. I would think the car is titled to the dealer as they would be carrying the insurance. Dealer employees had use of the car.)
    Previous Rental

    In my case this was just an order. The invoice has a box labelled "new or used" with "new" typed in. Presumably "demo" or "rental" would be typed as appropriate.

    If your car was never titled then you bought a new car. The Carfax report shows the title history. How many entries before you?

    If the car was in a collision during delivery or while sitting on the lot then the dealer would have repaired the damage. So it is possible that a car with 1 mile on the odo could have a fender, door, or bumper cover replaced. With 2000 miles on the odo I suspect it should have been labelled a "demo".

    I am not a lawyer and recommend consulting one and contacting the state but IMO it may be too late and although the dealer's actions may be sleazy, dishonest, or unethical they may not be illegal. Good luck & keep us posted.
     
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    Maybe

    JimN,

    Thanks so much for the very informative input. I will keep everyone posted. It may be too late, or it may be up to the discretion of the seller to make things right or not. Only time will tell me that. I am doing my part now to check on things. It is a learning and wish I would have..... moment.

    I will check the selling papers again tonight to see about used/new and demo/rental. I know rental is false, but not the others. The 'new' selling factor that the deller used with me may have been a relative term :), and not meant new.

    Thanks, and if anyone else reads this and has an opinion please let me know.
     
  17. Bob64

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    Uhh... are you sure that the carfax report is correct? Perhaps the buyer mistyped the VIN? I believe you might be able to have your insurance look into their FACTS database and see if they have any information on it.
     
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    You didn't happen to buy from McCord Motors in Independence, did you? It sounds like AG Jay Nixon is pretty tough on sleazy auto dealers.
     
  19. HardCase

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    What does "wrecked" mean? Not being smart-alek here, but wrecks come in a myriad of shapes and sizes, from a minor fender-bender to a total. My '97 Honda Prelude has been "wrecked" about 5 times, and I imagine if someone did a Carfax on it they'd think it was very much damaged goods, but none of those were serious, no structural damage, just minor sheet-metal repair or replacement.....although "minor" anymore can cost about $5000 to fix! And no, I'm not a bad driver! That car has a bullseye painted on it, I swear, and has been hit multiple times, and in each and every case it has been the other driver who got the ticket. But I digress....

    Can you find out about the nature of the "wreck"? If it was not bad, then it strikes me that you are allowing this knowledge to work on you unnecessarily. And what about going back to the dealer you bought it from, telling them what you have learned and expressing your unhappiness at being misled at the time you bought it, and perhaps seeing what sort of deal they might give you on a new one? It might be worth something to them to maintain good customer relations/public image, and to avoid at least a potential legal claim.

    I personally don't think that the Gen III Prii are going to be out in '09. And as others have said, if they are a major technological departure from the current models there are going to be price increases (one would think) and a return to demand outstripping supplies, waiting lists, premiums paid above MSRP, that sort of thing.....not to mention that you'd possibly have little choice as to colors if those other conditions were prevailing.....for at least a couple of years.
     
  20. GoBeyondGreen

    GoBeyondGreen Go Beyond Green

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    No, I bought it from Fletcher Toyota in Joplin, MO. The place has been there for eons, so I thought it was very reputable. I am going to give the benefit of the doubt and say they didnt know, but dont see how.

    To answer the question after this; 'Wrecked' mean front-end collision in which the front and side curtain airbags deployed. If it was a fender bender I wouldnt care in the least. I don't think that would show up either on carfax. I don't know what warrants carfax worthy.

    I thought people wouldn't mind when I tried to sell because I did discount the price considerably trying to sell it. I disclosed the new knowledge, and told the truth that I drove it for 2 years with no knowledge of any issues, so it has been fine for me. It is marked with the red 'A' (for airbag), and no one wants near it.

    Thanks for all the feedback - I have contacted MO's Attorney General's office. No news yet, but we will see. The venting does help.