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ABS/Brake light on after wheel bearing replacement

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by btrotter, Apr 9, 2008.

  1. btrotter

    btrotter Junior Member

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    I just had the front left wheel bearing fixed in my 05 Prius. Unforunately though, dummy me forgot about the 60k mile powertrain warranty (I have 59k miles on it), and took it to a local mechanic to have it replaced. He bought the part from Toyota, so it is the original part, but now that it has been repaired, the ABS/Brake light is on full time. If you go to hit the brakes hard, the brakes want to grab on the front right.

    I took it back to the mechanic, but he said the best he could tell, everything was reassembled correctly, and he thought it might need to be put on a computer to be recalibrated.

    I am going to bring it to Toyota tomorrow to have them look at it, but before, I would like to know if there is anything i can do to see if I can correct it myself? Is there an ABS or speed sensor in these things that I can get to, or check myself before I look like a dummy taking it to Toyota after having paid $180 to have it fixed by someone else?

    Thanks,
    Brian
     
  2. Patrick Wong

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    Hi Brian,

    Yes, there is a speed sensor that is mounted to the front strut. It would be reasonable to remove the left front tire and inspect the speed sensor to see if it was properly reinstalled (compare to the right front speed sensor if necessary.)

    You might also disconnect the negative 12V auxiliary battery terminal for a few minutes then reconnect, to see if that will clear the warning light. The repair manual does not indicate that initialization or calibration is required when a front hub is replaced.

    If you find nothing wrong, then it is reasonable to consult with your dealer regarding the warning light and the brakes pulling to the right. You may also want to have the front wheel alignment checked after this repair is completed.
     
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    Keep us posted about the cause.
     
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    I just got home with the car from the mechanic. I am going into my garage right now to jack it up and start poking around.
    If anyone has any scanned images of the hub assembly, or the location of the speed sensor, I would love to see them. Else, I will look for the obvious.

    Also, in saying that, does anyone know if you can buy the service manuals online reasonably priced? I love to do things myself (within reason).

    Will post back anything I find.

    Best regards,
    Brian
     
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    Hi Brian,

    techinfo.toyota.com

    $50 for one-month access; $10 for one-day access (if you sign up on Friday your access may be good until Monday)

    To get you started, I attached an exploded parts diagram of the front hub.
     

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    Wow, that is a great diagram. Thank you.
    I did find the speed sensor. It appeared to be installed fine. I removed it, looked at it, wiped the small magnetic sensor off and put it back in.
    I checked on everything else I could think of looking at. I removed the neg terminal from the battery in the trunk for about 15 minutes, removed and checked all the ABS-related fuses, checked to make sure the brakes were grabbing, and for the most part, I am at a loss. The light keeps coming on and staying on.
    When I pull out of my garage and drive down the street, the brakes appear normal. Pressing the brake normally stops the car. As soon as you press the pedal more than about 50% down, the right front tire locks.

    I guess I will have to take it to Toyota in the morning.
    I just dont understand how changing out a hub assembly goofed up the ABS....but who knows?
    Thanks for all the help.
     
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    Hey, I have one more thought.
    How can I check to make sure the speed sensor itself is good?
    Where does the other end of the sensor connect in to? It looks like it goes up into the wheel well somewhere, but I cant follow it.

    Can I use an ohmmeter on it or something to make sure it is actually working?
     
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    The speed sensors connect to the skid control ECU, located behind the dashboard.

    One way to test a sensor is to use the Toyota Hand Held Tester to verify proper operation. Another way to test it is to hook up an oscilloscope to the sensor output, drive at 19 mph, and look for a 4V peak-to-peak sine wave display. The period of the sine wave is ~6 ms.

    At this point I think that taking your car to the dealer is your best bet. I'm interested to hear what DTC were logged and the diagnosis.
     
  9. btrotter

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    Problem was fixed at the dealer.
    I was told it just had to be "reset".

    Here are the codes that are listed on my service receipt:

    C1241-Low Battery Positive voltage or abnormal high battery positive voltage
    C1342-Hydraulic System
     
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    I replaced this exact wheel bearing at about 100,000 miles. Got the hub assembly from a Toyota dealer in Texas, Hoy Fox or something like. (Great deals on parts 1/3 the price of the local dealer).

    It definetly sounds like a sensor problem. The computer thinks your left side wheel has stopped, so it won't let the friction brakes engage. (Just a theory). One thing I noticed was that when re-installing the dust cover you had to be extremely careful in its placement or it would interfere with the wheel speed sensor.
     
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    Thanks for the update; it is interesting that your disconnecting the 12V battery did not reset the skid control ECU. Maybe the brake power supply also had to be disconnected to effect a reset?
     
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    Hello, I am having literally this exact same issue! I d/c'ed the battery to no avail, BUT i will try it again tomorrow and leave it d/c'ed for a good 10 minutes. I am just wondering if btrotter is still around or if anyone can explain to me what means by it needs to be "Reset" ? is it just the computer that needs to be reset so the lights go away and it recalibrates?


    So my story :

    My mechanic today replaced my front right bearing. as i drove away from the garage, the VSC , abs and (i) orange light came on. Car drives ok no issues ..though my mechanic said to bring it in and he will look at the sensors. I am worried i have to change out a speed sensor and i hope it wasnt damaged. Given that the car drives well enough, I am thinking it just a calibration issue...any thoughts/ideas on this? its just so frustrating! Maybe take it to the dealer and have them check it? if it needs a special tool to reset?


    also : maybe ride is a bit rough/stiffer? but overall drives just fine, brakes, etc ok. Maybe i did not notice the ride quality as the drone of the worn bearing was too much. but it goes, stops, engages battery without issue.
     
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    One thing to keep in mind is alignment of the dust cover behind the wheel bearing hub. The steel portion of the dust cover has a small oval shaped window/slot cut into it to allow the speed sensor to 'look' through. If this slot is not properly aligned with the speed sensor, then you end up with steel between the sensor and tone wheel instead of an air gap. The speed sensor will not function. Kind of like putting a piece of cardboard on the end of a flashlight.
     
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    Thanks ! I hope that’s it . Taking car back to mechanic and I will tell him about the dust cover - and to check that first ... will report back with updates ...
     
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    So here is the update - hopefully this will benefit the users here:

    So it seems like the 10mm bolt on the sensor rotted away (or maybe it broke?)...dust cover was ok but the sensor was not aligned and not in all the way. So they used some silicone to further enforce it when it was in - hopefully that will hold, otherwise will take it back and get it fixed again....

    but lights are now gone and car runs great! and so quiet (even for a prius) after the noisy bearing was fixed.

    so in the end TMR-JWAP was right - it was a sensor issue. thanks everyone!!!
     
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    This seems like a good place to mention, for future reference, that there is a speed sensor test mode that is, by design, more sensitive than the checks the ECU does in normal operation to set warning lights. You find a place where you have a straight path to drive for a certain distance at a certain speed, call up the test mode, then accelerate and drive straight for the required distance and stop, and the computer tells you whether everything is good with all the speed sensors.

    And the manual instructs to perform this test as the finishing step of any work on the bearings, etc. The whole idea is so nobody completes a bearing job and then gets a warning light driving away with some surprise discovery of a wheel sensor problem.

    Show me a mechanic who has to have the car driven back with a warning light to discover the sensor problem, and I'll show you a mechanic who skipped the step laid right out in the ding-binged manual.

    -Chap