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NY times article on "health risks" from driving hybrids

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by Ichiro, Apr 27, 2008.

  1. tochatihu

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    Ozone (from vehicle emission precursors) and PM10 from vheicle emissions directly are a health hazard in every large city, and cause a large number of premature deaths. Any vehicle technology that can reduce these are beneficial to the public health. Including hybrid vehicles.

    Erecting hypothetical risks might only amount to attention getting, newspaper selling and ad revenue enhancement. Can't say as I mind that, cause everybody wants to make a buck. However, if the bogeymen are used in the attempt to change peoples vehicle purchase decisions, and more people suffer respiratory and cardiac ailments as a result, then I might get a little pissed off.
     
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    Actually, this is why I like to drive with the windows down; so the electric fields can vent.

    Then again, I also fold the seats when I'm driving on the interstate to improve aerodynamics.
     
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    There might be something to this... In the morning on my way to work, I'm sleepy. And in the evening, on my way home, I'm sleepy too! Do you guys think my Prius could be causing this???
     
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    The reporter must work on an upper floor in the Times Building! To much exposure to the thin air and sun have caused brain damage.

    I've worn a glow in the dark watch for years, worked on a flight deck and line, with all kinds of RF radiation, radar, etc. I'm not really worry about exposure from riding in my Prius. In Caly it's drive by's, in New York it's bus fumes, always something!

    I'm going to start a list, "Things I need to worry about, when all else is going ok..."

    1) Electromagnetic exposure from driving the Prius, even greater risk when passing under power lines!

    2) Hummer drivers.

    3) Sunlight adding to electromagnetic exposure during day light hours, without my Day Time Running Lights on!

    4) Gravitational pull on Prius while on earth.
     
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    Now that I think of it, I've experienced some very disturbing situations during my commute as well. Since the battery is in the rear of the Prius, is makes perfect sense that the large electromagnetic field is actually drawing the sheet-metal intensive crew-cab trucks closer to my rear bumper. This ties directly into the common report by Prius owners being tailgated by large vehicles. I believe that I am tailgated less often by smaller vehicles which would make sense due to the reduced quantity of metal being magnetically drawn to my car. Larger vehicles and high-performance vehicles tend to have larger engine blocks which would be more susceptible to magnetic attraction. I think we're onto something here.
     
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    all,

    Now besides my gas gage or guess gage, I've got to worry about a gauss gage while driving my Prius. Sheesh! What next?

    Ken (in Bolton,Ct)
     
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    oh sure ... examine away ... :rolleyes:
    we COULD just pull out of the persian gulf and save tons of lives ...
    we COULD just curb drunk driving and save 10's of thousands of lives ...
    we COULD just work on drug/gang related violence & save tons of lives ...
    we COULD just work on AIDS-alzheimers etc funding etc & save tons of lives ...

    or not ...
     
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    Those things will never happen, b/c most of the 'problems' in the world = big business.

    Weapons manufacturers, politicians & contractors need wars, the pharmaceutical industry needs 'diseases', the prison industrial complex needs 'inmates', etc..
     
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    You should have got the GPS package (and I guess a lead vest according to the NY Times). :D
     
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    It is nothing more then a propaganda story to slow the gullable soccer mom's from trading in their big SUV's in droves for a Toyota or Honda Hybrid. That way they trade them in for less economical but "Safer" non-hybrid vehicle from GM, Ford, or Chrysler. Did anyone notice there was no mention of bad EMF readings in any of the few Hybrid GM and Ford Vehicles.
     
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    I recall reading something about my first Prius (2001) possible in the New Car Features Guide where it discussed the EMF issue. It described reasons why EMF levels in the Prius are not as bad as you might have expected, because of some shielded cables and shielding from the chassis metal, and because many of the current flows are DC not AC. It also sounded like some actual engineering had been done to reduce EMF, at least what could be done at small cost. At least they thought about it when writing the manual.

    It's my opinion that no one has really got to the bottom of the EMF issue. Though the sheer difficulty of proving ill effects suggests that the effects are not actually that large, and there may be certain interactions that are required for those affects to appear. Or maybe there's nothing to it at all, but ... There may be some reason why only a few people (if any) are affected, like a genetic or environmental variation of some kind. My hypothesis is this: people with amalgam fillings are at higher risk because in a strong EMF field, the fillings release small amounts of mercury vapor. That puts together two things (EMF and amalgam) that are favorite concerns of web crackpots. That may not be the answer, but it shows what I mean by "interaction."

    I have a milligauss meter and sometimes check things out. Even 20 years after the Swedish computer monitor standards (2 milligauss or less) one can find LCD (!) computer monitors that put out 100 milligauss or more, while others fall neatly within the Swedish MPII standards. The same is true for almost all other electrical devices. Sometimes it's a matter of chance, other times it may simply be that some manufacturers are more conscientious than others.

    If you were concerned about EMF, you'd take your milligauss meter with you everywhere. Chances are, the Prius would be about the least of your concerns. Come to think of it, I haven't even tested mine yet.
     
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    That's because it is too hard to find one, especially with so many of them being recalled for faulty batteries. :eek:
     
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    Not sure about magnetic waves and stuff, but if I talk on a cell phone for a long time, I begin to sneeze like crazy. It begins to tickle my sinuses just behind and below the eyes, dead center.
     
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    It might have been the cough syrup and booze that made her drowsy. Take off that silly hat!!!
     
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    :couch2:I know I have been smelling a lot less gas fumes at the pump compared to my co-workers with Ford Expeditions! My heart rate at the pumps is less and I feel a lot less stressful looking at the credit card gas bills.

    So I'd say my health risks are less! :yo:
     
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    Driving the Prius makes me drowsy, too. It drives so much more smoothly than my Civic, I sometimes forget that I'm on the road! :D
     
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    People who claim to suffer from electromagnetic hypersensitivity tend to also suffer from other "psychosomatic illnesses" such as chronic fatigue syndrome (where a minority of people have been diagnosed with a causative viral infection).

    The only successful treatment for electromagnetic hypersensitivity is usually psychological.


    I forget where, but there's a city that's having it's public Wi-Fi system sued by people "suffering" from EMH.
     
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