1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Prius Chicago to New York CBS news

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Fuel Economy' started by bestmapman, May 19, 2008.

  1. morpheusx

    morpheusx Professor Chaos

    Joined:
    Mar 6, 2007
    1,555
    81
    0
    Location:
    Akron, OH
    Vehicle:
    2011 Prius
    Model:
    Three
    I just logged into directv.com and set my DVR to record the CBS Early show tomorrow that way I don't forget.
     
  2. Rokeby

    Rokeby Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    3,033
    708
    75
    Location:
    Ballamer, Merlin
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Folks,

    you just have to follow this on
    Prius - Chicago to New York on a single tank Wayne's Progress - CleanMPG Forums

    This may sound a little mellow dramatic, but it has the flavor of Neil Armstrong
    landing on the moon. In fact, it may have more immediate and practical
    ramifications for the USofA. :usa2:

    Run, do not walk to CleanMPG.com!

    As my grandmother would say, "Go it boy, go it!" :cheer2:
     
  3. bestmapman

    bestmapman 04, 07 ,08, 09, 10, 16, 21 Prime

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    1,289
    242
    3
    Location:
    Kentucky near Cincinnati, OH
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    This last work is that he has about 100 miles to go and he just got down to 1 PIP. Do you think he is going to make it? Here is the link
     
  4. Rokeby

    Rokeby Member

    Joined:
    Jan 21, 2008
    3,033
    708
    75
    Location:
    Ballamer, Merlin
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    bestmapman,

    How did you generate the elevation profiles that you posted into the thread?

    Of course I think he'll make it.

    But I don't know the routes he's taking. It may come down to playing it safe
    and going out of his way to take the George Washington Bridge, or going
    through the Holland or Lincoln Tunnels and gliding to a stop at the botom of
    the down slope. I sincerely hope not.

    If he gets past half way in a tunnel he's technically "in New York." Would that
    count?

    Ditto on the GWB, but then he could no-arrows/regen glide down onto
    Manhattan Island; home free!
     
  5. bestmapman

    bestmapman 04, 07 ,08, 09, 10, 16, 21 Prime

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    1,289
    242
    3
    Location:
    Kentucky near Cincinnati, OH
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    I got word from him that he is pulling off to wait for the film crew and he can see the skyline of New York. He has two PIPs left. I guess I heard wrong last time when I said 1 PIP. His average for the trip is 70.5 on the MFD.
     
  6. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,369
    15,511
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus

    Is there a log showing the miles travelled per segment as well as the actual road time or speed? I did a rough estimate for CHI to Youngstown OH and got ~45 mph but the chart doesn't report breaks. I can use Google and Mapquest to reverse engineer some of the data but I was wondering if there is a quantitative trip log?

    My interest is to cross check my MPG vs MPH chart.

    Thanks,
    Bob Wilson
     
  7. judymcfarland

    judymcfarland Queen of Moral Indignation

    Joined:
    Nov 27, 2006
    578
    4
    0
    Location:
    Glendale, WI
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    I saw Wayne this morning on CBS - apparently he made it, averaging over 70 mpg, I believe. His trip took 3 hours longer than the CBS-driven Prius with him. I would hope that viewers would be impressed that the 2nd car filled up once & got about 45 mpg "just driving it".
     
  8. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,497
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    I'm an optimist and even I doubt it.

    I'm guessing that most people would estimate their personal time at a value above $25/hr. They would therefore estimate those three hours as being worth $75. The fill-up - and the amount consumed - probably cost less than $40.

    I'm confident that whatever argument you throw at the average person, they will have a way to justify their point of view.
     
  9. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

    Joined:
    Mar 2, 2006
    18,058
    3,074
    7
    Location:
    Northern Michigan
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    What is a "mellow drama", something you watch while smoking a joint? :rolleyes:

    Tom
     
  10. Chuck.

    Chuck. Former Honda Enzyte Driver

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    2,766
    1,510
    0
    Location:
    Lewisville, TX (Dallas area)
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Mind offering some facts?
    • Cutting the engine at intersections more than 10 seconds...endorsed by the Canadian govt - legal in US - it's hypermiling so don't do it?
    • Don't charge to the light - it's hypermiling?
    • Don't do warp stealth - it's hypermiling?
    The typical US driver could save 20-30% just by cutting aggressive driving and adopt just a few hypermiling techniuques without taking extra time or being legally questionable. In contrast, I know of a very defensive Highlander Hybrid driver that gets 19.8mpg - you have to work to get that low! :eek: Sort of defeats the purpose of sustainablity and emissions if drivers have heavy right foot?

    Opps - I forgot your loathing of Wayne Gerdes, so I will let you return to reading about all the traffic accidents in Minnapolis....probably all caused by hypermilers. :p
     
  11. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,369
    15,511
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus


    There seems to be a little confusion in the reporting:

    • 800 miles distance
    • 8.9 gallons flashed on screen
    • 71 MPG reported for trip
    The problem is:
    800 miles / 8.9 gallons -> 90.0 MPG
    800 miles / 71 MPG -> 11.3 gallons
    Anyone know where the 8.9 gallons came from? Would this be another case of the variable size, Prius fuel tank?

    Bob Wilson
     
  12. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,754
    5,245
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    That's what I'm asking for...

    What is being recommended and how will it help the typical driver?

    .
     
  13. bestmapman

    bestmapman 04, 07 ,08, 09, 10, 16, 21 Prime

    Joined:
    Apr 8, 2007
    1,289
    242
    3
    Location:
    Kentucky near Cincinnati, OH
    Vehicle:
    2021 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Limited
    Only in San Fransisco where there is medical marijuana
    Maybe you could ask the "Doc" for a prescription. How about it Evan?:party::cool::eek:
     
  14. TheForce

    TheForce Stop War! Lets Rave! Make Love!

    Joined:
    May 30, 2005
    3,461
    537
    0
    Location:
    Wheelersburg, Ohio
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    I think Wayne over filled the tank when he started out so he could have a little more gas. Please correct me if I'm wrong.
     
  15. Chuck.

    Chuck. Former Honda Enzyte Driver

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    2,766
    1,510
    0
    Location:
    Lewisville, TX (Dallas area)
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Why don't you watch the video...Oh - you're feelings for Wayne, so I'll do a synoysis.
    • Use the least amount of brakes - glide
    • Use the least amount of accleration
    • Be aware of the dash, the traffic in front and behind you
    • Don't charge to red lights, etc.
    The CBS reporter took 14 hours from Chi to NYC at 45mpg - Wayne took 17 hours at 71mpg. On a sub 20-mile commute that most of us do daily, not but about a minute longer if that.

    John, I recall you stressed low emissions - Wayne was emitting 60% less than the "normal" driver ... why does it being Wayne negate that?
     
  16. ericbecky

    ericbecky Hybrid Battery Hero

    Joined:
    Mar 12, 2004
    4,369
    3,217
    1
    Location:
    Madison, Wisconsin
    Vehicle:
    2005 Prius
    Model:
    Two
    Just so everyone realizes...this isn't about proving anything about the Prius.

    It is about demonstrating the effects of driving techniques.

    They could have just as easily used Tahoes, or neons instead.
     
  17. bwilson4web

    bwilson4web BMW i3 and Model 3

    Joined:
    Nov 25, 2005
    27,369
    15,511
    0
    Location:
    Huntsville AL
    Vehicle:
    2018 Tesla Model 3
    Model:
    Prime Plus
    It might have been better had they rented a couple of non-hybrid vehicles and used them.

    Bob Wilson
     
  18. john1701a

    john1701a Prius Guru

    Joined:
    Jan 6, 2004
    12,754
    5,245
    57
    Location:
    Minnesota
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    CARBON emissions are not related to the SMOG type.

    There is no direct relation to MPG when it comes to NOx levels.

    Improvement to *BOTH* types has always been my goal, not just one or the other.

    .
     
  19. Chuck.

    Chuck. Former Honda Enzyte Driver

    Joined:
    Oct 24, 2006
    2,766
    1,510
    0
    Location:
    Lewisville, TX (Dallas area)
    Vehicle:
    2007 Prius
    Model:
    II
    Are you going to embarrass your self saying that reporter getting 45mpg was greener than Wayne getting 71mpg? It was in identical Prius...both were even silver.

    Just in case you mention time to warm up the ICE and catayltic converter, that was very negligible on a 700 mile trip on the freeway that was more than made up for.

    Less gas consumed = less greenhouse gases.
     
  20. TonyPSchaefer

    TonyPSchaefer Your Friendly Moderator
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    May 11, 2004
    14,816
    2,497
    66
    Location:
    Far-North Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2017 Prius Prime
    Model:
    Prime Advanced
    Well, he's got to get back to Chicago somehow. I wonder what he can do with a conventional Tahoe. . .:rolleyes: