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Inaccurate Navigation System

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Audio and Electronics' started by rpa, Jul 7, 2008.

  1. rpa

    rpa New Member

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    My issue is that the Nav System is off by about one city block. Whenever I input an address the Nav System reports that I have arrived at my location when I in fact have not. It is routinely short by that city block. Definately a pain in the nice person when navigating in the big city. Just a minor pain in the burbs. Anyone else experience the same? Anyone else have Toyota fix the issue under warranty?

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  2. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    No problem like that with our NAV system. Are you getting a good fix with the satellites?

    Tom
     
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    rpa,

    Welcome to PriusChat.

    I noticed a similar condition this past weekend. I use the GPS maybe once a
    month. But, I was out of town and needed some guidance. At one point,
    when I was stopped at a corner for a light, the pointer showed my being I'd
    guess 100 yds short of the corner. It stayed that way until I turned the
    corner, and then it immediately caught up. I didn't see this again, but I
    confess, I wasn't watching closely. I don't keep the map screen up for a long
    time as Id rather have the energy flow arrows immediately available.

    I'm going to have to do some quick checks tomorrow and see if it was one-
    time, or on-going.
     
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    The Prius nav uses both GPS and dead-reckoning. It uses it's last position and any turns made and the distance traveled since then to guess where it is, then moves the map to center that location. GPS helps, but on parallel or slightly angled roads, it can get confused. Also, my nav went wacko during sun spots once from bad sat signals.

    If you're in a city with tall buildings, GPS can be spotty so dead-reckoning takes over and can be dead wrong. If the display is mostly right, zoom in to maximum and calibrate (it's in the settings). Drive around a block in the suburbs (good sky view, good turns to compare to the map), stop and put the car in Park, and start playing with the calibration until the map is aligned with the real world. Your indicated position stays in the center of the screen, but you can pan the map in any direction and even rotate it, so you are pointing along the street you are on.
     
  5. rpa

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    Thanks for your responses. I have tried to calibrate the system with no success. I live in the burbs, on a hilltop no less, yet the Prius GPS shows my home a block away from it's actual location. My guess is that it's another case of bad input providing bad output. I've noticed that on Google maps my house and that of my parents (different city) is also shown about one block away from their actual locations. Not a case of the street or house being new (1987 and 1974 respectively). Does anyone know from what source the Prius GPS maps are drawn?

    I also feel that my sat. reception is good. The GPS sets up very quickly, maintains pace with the car and recalibrates instantly when a turn is missed. It's actually very accurate along the entire journey, displaying my passing through intersections at the appropriate times. The problem does not arise when using POI's. It only occurs when I input an address and it only occurs at the end of the trip when I've supposedly arrived at my destination. It doesn't matter where the address is (burbs or city) but the GPS is always approx. one block short of the intended target. As I said earlier, this only presents a problem for me when trying to find an address in the dark or when trying to find a business address in the city.

    My Garmin Nuvi 350 is accurate to within about 10 feet. It's a little frustrating to have this GPS so inaccurate and not be able to fix it.

    So once again I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced the same problem and had it corrected. If so, by what means?

    Thanks again
     
  6. qbee42

    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    What you are describing is not the accuracy of the GPS, but the accuracy of street addresses. Since your current location tracks correctly and POIs work properly, we know the navigation is working and you are getting a good fix from the satellites. This comes down to how mapping software deals with street addresses. The mapping database on any system doesn't actually have a table with every street address. Instead they use end-point addresses for every street. If one end of a street has the address 1600 and the other end 1700, then 1650 is assumed to be in the middle. This works well in some areas, and not so well in others. For more complex addressing, more hints are added to the database. I suspect the addressing database isn't all that great in your area. Ours works well where we live, but I have been to other areas where it's off a bit more.

    Tom
     
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    Good point Tom and I couldn't agree more. Obviously the Garmin draws from a more accurate database than the service used by the manufacturer of the Prius' GPS system. I'm driving a 2007 which has not been upgraded to the 7.1 DVD for the GPS. I'm still using version 6.1. Are you by chance using 7.1? Maybe upgrading to 7.1 is the answer?
     
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    I believe the tracking may try to estimate that you'll be in front of the location by the time it stops talking based on the speed it believes you should be going for the type of street you're driving (residential, freeway, etc). This is only a guess on my part. The reason why I say this is I've been annoyed as well about this and my other cars with factory GPS do not do this (so the addresses should be accurate). In addition, when I hit the button on the steering wheel while driving with the map up it does in fact give me a pretty accurate street number when it refreshes. The last reason why I believe this is the case is because mine will tell me, "you've arrived at your destination" and I'll still see the colored route on the screen where I obviously haven't reached the marker on the screen yet. So it knows, (or at least the marker on the screen) I'm not actually at my destination, even though it verbally tells me.

    Mike
     
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    qbee42 My other car is a boat

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    I'm still using the older version. I haven't seen anything compelling to make me upgrade, but the jury is still out.

    Tom
     
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    This is definitely what I call the "theoretical address" problem. All my GPS units have had this to some degree in some areas.

    The Toyota NavTeq based maps definitely have it somewhat worse than the Garmins I have. But, it's manageable and not that big a deal if you are aware of it.
     
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    Agreed. I look at all address destinations as approximate.


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    I guess I'm the only one who's GPS is virtually 100% accurate? It's only the voice that seems a bit premature announcing arrival.... but the waypoint is right on.
     
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    The East Coast (Harrisburg, B'more, Philly, DC) cities I drive in are notorious for the deviation between the City Planning maps and reality on the street. There is one street in Harrisburg where the addresses on the buildings seems random. I know you'll think I'm exaggerating but there are literally odd and even addresses on the same side of the street. Needless to say GIS systems' idea of the addressing scheme doesn't resemble the reality.

    If you don't have the issue, it's because your area better approximates the planning maps.
     
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    The calibration function (in the settings) calibrates the dead-reckoning hardware. It's good to do this now and then, especially when you change tires.

    The voice system says "You have arrived..." about a half block before you reach your destination. A bit later it says "Your destination is ahead on the right..."