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my prius broke today

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by RonH, Jul 28, 2008.

  1. RonH

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    2004, 75 Kmi, when I left work the "BRAKE" and "ABS" lights were on as well as the "!". Noticed it after backing out and the brakes didn't work! Well, they did a little. Like when you loose power boost and you have to mash the pedal to get any friction. The fluid reservoir was full and no leaks under the car, so my bet on a conventional car is a master cylinder, but I didn't get that spongy feeling. My second guess is the regenerative braking, but I'm not sure which part to blame. Had it towed to the dealer from wence it had it's 75K service 2 days ago. Hmmm. Any suggestions with which I can cross examine the dealer tomorrow?
     
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    galaxee mostly benevolent

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    gotta rely on the diagnostic codes they find at the dealership and go from there. unfortunately without those we're all in the dark.
     
  3. RonH

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    Got a call from the dealer. He said the group leader was looking at my prius. Boy, did that sound bad. Anyway, he found some rust on the rear brake motion sensor, cleaned it, cleared the codes and is driving it around to see if recurs. We'll see.
     
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    Good Luck, Ill keep my fingers crossed for you.
     
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    Got my prius back in working condition, it stops! I asked for the codes and they gave me the diagnostic screen captures, but I missed talking to the mechanic. The codes were C0215 (L R wheel speed sensor), C1247 (stroke sensor), C1313 (OC in main relay 2). The service mgr said they had scraped some rust off the speed sensor, cleared the codes and drove it around for 50 mi and no problem. No charge. I work in embedded, realtime systems and sensors are a pain in the nice person.
     
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    That's great news. Now it's time to name the dealer. We are quick to complain about poor dealers. We should be equally quick to praise good dealers.
     
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    Gee, did they have a few deliveries to make and preferred to use YOUR gas instead of their own??
     
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    x2. Many service folks unfortunately seem to resort to replacing parts until the codes go away... looks like the guy you got actually used his brain and eyes to actually figure out what the true cause of the problem was without replacing everything.

    Mike
     
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    Kearney Mesa Toyota, SD. I do all the service there and have been quite pleased. Although, the cynic in me says, "Hey, they messed something up during the service and are thanking their lucky stars it came back in one piece!" Sometimes I can't help myself.
     
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    Wth is that mean greetat? spam? reported as suspicious to a mod
     
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    a priori Canonus Curiosus

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    I think greetat has come and gone. 5 quick posts and nothing lately. I reported two other of greetat's posts earlier this evening.
     
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    Well, 3 weeks later and it happened again. Same symptoms, but this time it happened in the morning as I was leaving for work. After a short inspection revealed nothing, I drove to my local dealer only about 2 miles of herky jerky driving. Streets were pretty deserted. Anyway, this mechanic thought it might be a loose, broken or pinched harness due to a fender bender couple of year ago. He ohmed them out but found nothing. He did discover that the skid control ECU was out of calibration and reset and calibrated lots of brake system thingees and bled the brakes. If it happens again, he recommended replacing the ECU @ ~$1K + $1K labor! Was going on a roadtrip this weekend but think I'll take the wife's Highlander!
     
  13. Patrick Wong

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    Hi Ron,

    My dad's 2007 also had ABS and VSC lights and produced the feeling that the brakes were bad. DTC C1247 was logged. The first time he took it to the dealer, the tech cleared the code and could not find any reason for the problem.

    The second time (< 300 miles later), the tech found that the code could not be cleared, the zero point calibration could not be performed, and the linear valve could not be initialized. So the skid control ECU was replaced under warranty at 9,957 miles, part # 89540-47100.

    The skid control ECU has an MSRP of ~$1,400, so $1,000 is a good price.
     
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    So, sounds like my mechanic was on the right track. The $1K wasn't a quote so I suspect it will be list if ever needed. I forgot to mention, the brakes did feel tighter, including the parking brake. Like after you replace the pads on conventional brakes.

    I'm thinking the original dealer might have let air in the hydraulic line during the 75K service which may have sent some sensors out of range and upset the ECU. If so, bleeding and resetting ought to do it. If not, the windshield replacement will have to wait!
     
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    have you checked the voltage of the 12v battery?
     
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    Oh gosh, that sounds scary.... So what if there *is* a car (or even worst, someone) behind you? Oh I guess you can use the e-break to stop it.. But still, this is scary....
     
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    I have had the same issue with my '06 Prius - twice! The first time the dealer reset the computer and said that "it happens sometimes once to a Prius". The second time was last week. It was at the dealership for 6 days and they cannot tell me what was wrong with it! They cleared the code and could not get the problem to occur again.

    Both times the Brake, !, ABS and VSC lights all came on and the brakes barely worked. I was told by the dealer that I still had "service brakes" or front brakes only. All the diagnostic tests came back fine.

    I'm hoping that it doesn't recur during the winter, stranding me with my young daughter. We got stranded last Saturday and had to be towed, but at least it was warm and not raining outside.

    My dealer is stumped as to the cause of the problem. Has anyone else had the same issue! (no concrete diagnosis?)
     
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    Hi Marion,

    I suggest that you ask what DTC was logged on your vehicle. If DTC C1247, then there are only three problem areas: the brake pedal stroke sensor, the skid control ECU, or the wiring harness connecting the two.

    Since the dealer has been resetting the skid control ECU, they have clear evidence that the problem has been happening to you and that you are not creating an issue out of thin air. It is not right that they release the car to you twice without taking action to remedy this important safety issue.

    If this were my car, I would ask the service dept to perform the diagnostic process again and to consult with Toyota tech support as needed. If no problem can be found, then they should replace both the stroke sensor and the skid control ECU under warranty. Better for them to do that, than to send you out for the third time with an unsafe car.
     
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    Thank you Patrick. My invoice says that the Stroke sensor will be replaced if it happens again. I have put in a call to the Service advisor to ask for the code that they found.
     
  20. RonH

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    It just so happens that I went and got my scan gauge to see what I could see and the voltage was 11.4 v which seemed a tad low to me (in the "on" but not ready mode). When I started up the car it popped up to 13.8 v.which seems like a normal level to me. Subsequently, I've checked the on-but-not-ready level and it is usually 11.7 v. Perhaps the little battery is ready for a replacement and it would be cheaper than an ECU!