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"Mazda building a Volt of its own"

Discussion in 'Prius, Hybrid, EV and Alt-Fuel News' started by TimBikes, Aug 28, 2008.

  1. TimBikes

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    Autocar quotes unnamed "senior sources" saying Mazda is testing an electric car that uses a Wankel rotary engine to charge the battery. It's the same approach GM is taking with the Volt, which will feature a 1.4-liter gasoline engine and lithium-ion battery. Things are going so well for Mazda that it's got a prototype -- a modified a Mazda MPV -- undergoing road tests.
     
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    It's [not] funny how it is taking GM two years to make the Volt, yet Mazda hears the news, and in a matter of months, already has a working prototype!

    "What makes this especially interesting is Ford owns Mazda, which means anything Mazda builds could appear in showrooms with a blue oval on the hood. Looks like the race is on." -that statement
    could be HUGE!!!
     
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    Gee, I wonder if it will have a "B" mode, since the Wankel has very little engine breaking. If so, they'll have to spin that puppy near the red line to get any engine breaking on those looong downhills.
     
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    I don't recall the article saying Mazda had only been working on it for months, so that is speculation.

    Regardless, it sounds pretty cool. I was wondering what if anything they had planned for their rotary engine. It has been around since the early 70s but they have never been able to get decent mpg out of it. Kind of ironic it will now apparently power a high efficiency vehicle.
     
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    If it is like the Volt (and someone correct me here) my understanding is that the "engine" never powers the car directly -- just charges the battery when necessary which then powers electric drive.

    It's also interesting they are putting it in an MPV, which I didn't think they were even making anymore. Wondering if they might beat Toyota to the market with a hybrid minivan...
     
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    Actually, its been around longer than that; the original design was by NSU in Germany in the 50's.

    Wankel engine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    One of the issues with the rotary is emissions; it has never been great with regard to emissions but has high power output for its size similar to a two stroke engine.

    GM better get their butt in gear!
     
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    A Wankel engine as a range extender is just about the worst possible choice.

    The whole point of an EV genset is to have the highest possible thermal efficiency running at optimal rpms and load. That's why Prius uses an 'Atkinson' cycle engine.

    Standard Otto-cycle gasoline engines manage up to 31% efficiency, Prius 'Atkinson-like' engine 35% efficiency, diesel engines 40-45% efficiency but wankel engines something like 22% efficiency. Using one would be very wasteful of fuel.
     
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    The Wankel, for the power it produces is much lighter and smaller than a typical ICE. That difference should allow for a much bigger battery that will absorb all the energy you can make from regen braking on those really long downhills.
     
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    What is the rated efficiency of the Renesis 16x? Hint: it's way way better than 22%.
     
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    Supposedly, the rotary has come a long way in terms of efficiency and emmissions, but it's main advantage for this is it's size. Mazada may be able to use a 0.5L as opposed to GM's 1.4 or Toyota's 1.5 or 1.8. Which means more space for batteries. Which, in turn, means the less often the engine even turns on.
     
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    True re: the Wankel, though I was referring to Mazda's rotary, which to my recollection dates to the early '70s. As for the emissions, I think it is OK - EPA rates it the same on "air pollution" (a "6") as a Mazda MX-5 (Miata). MPG is pathetic though, for a small car (16/23). That is the same as many full size cross-overs and minivans.

    It would be interesting to know from Mazda what technical considerations there were in choosing this engine for the "Volt" equivalent.
     
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    In that case it's engine braking abilities will be ZERO!. I hope it has disk brakes all around and really heavy duty ones. I've had drum brakes fail on me. Never disk brakes, but then I still have my old manual driving habits and will kill OD or downshift before going for the brakes, situation permitting of course. I get really good mileage on brake pads. I guess I'm just old school and like to have redundancy or backup options for life threatening situation. Battery size doesn't matter as much as :) if it's a plug-in you don't live at the top of a looong hill. Anyway, just musing. Had a few minutes to kill. :)
     
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    True, EPA ratings, which used to be a problem, now meets even California's tough standards since they moved the exhaust ports to the side in the RX-8's Renesis engine.
     
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    Vaporware in competition with vaporware. sheez. I'm I the only geezer on PC that remembers tons of promised let-downs? Not that I've lost ALL hope, but has anyone archived all the promised electrics over the past 2 decades? It's hard enough for me to keep up with all the hydrogen hoax articles.
     
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    Kind of reminds me of the upcoming election! :pound:
     
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    Gee! If only we had an efficient way of capturing and using all the energy in all the hot air being released.:brushteeth:
     
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    Put it in a Mazda 5, keep the price in check, and you'd probably have a runaway hit.

    Rob
     
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    True. Actually, a lot of the Mazda cars are nice too. I like the 3 and the 6. They drive nice & crisp.