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No radio for 30 seconds on cold start

Discussion in 'Gen 2 Prius Care, Maintenance and Troubleshooting' started by a priori, Oct 4, 2008.

  1. a priori

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    Here is a weird one (in my estimation): When I start the car cold (no driving for several hours), the radio doesn't always work. This is a new phenomenon (just started and I'm at 20K miles) and doesn't make any sense to me.

    I often have the radio on when I turn off the car. Normally, the radio then would turn on as soon as I pushed the Start button. These days, however, there is no radio going until I've driven the car about 30 seconds or so. It is very weird to have the radio just start playing when I've not hit the power button!

    Has anyone else experienced this or heard about something similar?

    I've wondered if it has anything to do with moisture that is quickly dried off after the start-up. I do not know if this is now happening every time I have a cold start, because I haven't kept a record of whether the radio is on when I turn off the car.
     
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    Have you noticed any problem with the MFD, coincident with the slow start on the audio system?
     
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    No, I haven't. I haven't noticed any other electrical issues going on.
     
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    are you losing your stored radio presets?
    is there an audible beep when this happens?
    is there anything in the cd changer when this happens?
    is the prius writing any new codes in the mfd diagnostic screen that could point at a problem?
    is your 12 v battery weak?
     
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    I haven't lost the radio presets, and there is no beep. The radio just turns on -- or back on, as I had left it on when turning off the car.

    I wouldn't know how to check to see whether there were any new codes in the MFD diagnostic screen (sorry!), so I can't answer that for you.

    I don't know about the 12V battery, but I have no reason to believe it has been weakened in any way. It is only 14 months old, after all.

    One thing I do remember, though. About one month ago I noticed that all of my NAV history was wiped out. My preset locations (the 6 buttons) for the NAV system were good, but all of the other locations I had entered were gone. Could that mean anything?
     
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    Weird. Usually a memory loss is due to the temporary loss of 12V power, which could mean the 12V battery is weak. At the time when you lost the NAV locations, did your fuel gauge also lose its reading of how much fuel the car had?
     
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    Yes, it is weird. And, NO, I didn't lose any other information. I checked all over the place, and the only thing I lost was the history of places I'd entered into the NAV system.
     
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    Well anyway, back to your reported radio problem. If you can demonstrate that slow start to the service writer, then it would be reasonable to ask for your stereo to be replaced under the 3 year/36K mile warranty.
     
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    Do you think it is just a radio problem? What explains the fact it starts up normally when the engine isn't cold?
     
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    if there is any kind of issue with the radio you would need to go to the diagnostic screen and post the log... u can search for magic buttons or something to find it. you basically turn the car on, press display, and tap the left top and left bottom area 3 times each, and then you check lan monitor, and check each of the catagories, and all the error codes are there. so theres nothing else installed like add ons? this is a weird one. if there was a problem with the radio with power you would lose your presets. errors across the avnet/bean could also make you lose presets.

    does it say "RADIO OFF" and then you have to drive for a bit for the radio on? that might be a stuck key, i suppose...

    i wouldn't worry about it. i would just take it under warranty and have the radio swapped out.

    changing out the mfd would be covered too, if it was necessary but that would be a last resort cause it holds your telephone book
     
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    Thanks. I'll try to check for the codes.

    On the other question: No, it doesn't say "Radio Off." I've noticed no radio, and then I've pushed the power button. At that point it says "Radio Off" -- I had just turned it off! After hitting the power again, nothing. Then, mysteriously, the radio would turn on several seconds later.
     
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    (assuming you turned it off with the radio on)

    turn on car
    hit audio on mfd (like if u wanted to switch from fuel consumption to audio)
    what do you see
    radio off?

    does pressing the mode button on the steering wheel before the radio turns on help? does it
    let you go to anything else like the cd player?
     
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    Well, a radio problem is most likely limited to the radio assembly, the MFD, or the 12VDC power supply. It appears that the 12V bus is OK since all other systems are working as normal. It also appears that the MFD is responding normally to your input.

    Hence, I think it is likely that the radio itself is the problem. You ask why the problem is limited to situations where the car has not been driven for several hours. Maybe there is an intermittent connection that opens up when the radio assembly is cold, but the connection is restored after the radio is powered up for a while. Who knows...
     
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    prius has multiple local area networks.. im trying to to see if its something simple as a stuck button, bad power, and curious if the mfd holds any errors for this device.

    patrick -
    the prius relies heavily on the interconnectivity of devices across its lan, and you can have problems with your cd changer that will affect the radio, and problems with the radio or amp that affect the cd changer.. its bizarre.
     
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    Hey, this sounds familiar. It happens to me just about every day but the delay varies from 5 to maybe 20 or 30 seconds with no particular pattern. Thing is, I have been blaming it on my XM radio since I am used to it being a little slow to find the signal when I first start the car. (Delphi Roady XT.) I never thought to blame it on the car itself, so now I have to investigate!
     
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    Yes. I forget if it says "Radio Off" or "Power Off" but it appears that I've powered it off even though I hadn't heard anything.

    No. That makes no difference.
     
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    I just had a new one today -- the delay was only about 5 seconds this time. My car had been off about 2.5 hours and was sitting out in the sun.

    Please let me know what you find!
     
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    weird..

    and you don't have anything else added? like a satellite radio? lock pick?

    all you can do is take it to the dealer. all i can do now is wait for you to post the contents of the error codes in lan monitor and look them up, and then tell you what they mean, with a message of what they mean you would be better prepared on your trip to the dealer...

    2007 Prius - Easter Egg

    click service check
    click lan monitor
    post codes for emv, audio, g/w and dsp-amp

    if it says NoErr its fine, if it says chek, post codes

    hold display on the mfd to exit or turn the car off

    dont do anything else, it might screw up the car

    whenever the car logs an error in the mfd, it will give an actual beep, but its all stealthy otherwise and you won't know it actually logged anything. so im not expecting a lot of information to be logged
     
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    I experimented today and determined that it's not the car's fault in my case. If I switch from AUX to any other input during "radio silence" I get a signal. Switch back to the XM radio and it's still quiet until it decides it's done finding the signal / buffering / whatever else.
     
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    No, I have nothing else added. It is completely stock. I DO have an iPod hooked up to the Aux, but I've had that for a long time. I also have several CDs in the player. Again, this is nothing new.

    I haven't yet tried to look for codes, but I'll keep you informed. Thank you for taking such an active role in helping me on this.