GM moves nearly 2,000 hybrids in September

GM's mild hybrids <call them hollow hybrids if you like> ARE HYBRIDS. They may not be the best hybrids but if they are not hybrids then the original and maybe the current Civic hybrids are not hybrids either.

 

I think they meant the 'other guy' only sells a great hybrid, while they offer lousy, miserable, and pathetic. Yep, GM gives choices.

 

I don't know.... Everyone gets such a big hard on on a vehicle make. GM makes the vehicles I enjoy to own. Styling, Comfort, And now Quality.

I wished I could see gas prices around $2.00

 

Unfortunately the market doesn't share your [misplaced] enthusiasm...

 

Based on The Playmaker's Table(TM), a classification framework of 25 irreducibly unique stratagems or plays, the analysis demonstrates how GM has recently portrayed new products and programs to both recast its embattled brand and counter detractors, notably skeptical environmental groups, financial analysts, and industry watchers. Principal findings of the study include:
-- GM employs a diversity of influence stratagems (12 of 25 plays), reflecting considerable mastery by the automaker of influence and public opinion.
-- GM executives, notably Bob Lutz, freely admit failure and fault, atypical of most large-company play-it-safe media practices.
-- To that end, GM uses counter-intuitive strategies, defined in the playmaker system as the Disco, Bear Hug and Lantern. These high-risk plays have helped the car giant buy time in the hybrid electric market and re-earn the public's trust and interest in its new-generation initiatives.

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Do you mean the stock market or the automobile market?

 

Did you see GM shares dipped under was under $4/share today and Ford closed at under $2 The market knows what a bunch of losers GM and Ford are and apparently the automobile market does too judging from the sales figures this year. GM was placed on S&P's CreditWatch with negative implications and they are in danger of being removed from Dow because of their minuscule market cap.:lol: The sooner this company and clowns that are trying to run go under the better off everybody will be. And it can't happen soon enough. Good riddance GM (Ford and Chrysler too I hope).

 

Not sure I understand your question. The quote I posted was pretty self-explanatory I thought.

Anyhow, even though the whole market is down, Honda's shares still closed this week in the $20's and Toyota's in the $60's. Compare that to GM or Ford shares, it's pretty scary. Especially for those whose livelihood depend on Big Three's survival.

 

The latest off the newswire: Reports: Chrysler, GM discuss merger, acquisition - Yahoo! News

GM and Chrysler are in discussions to merge.

When I first read that, I did a double-take. That couldn't possibly end well.

Back when Chrysler was merging with Daimler, it was a merger of one company that is barely subsisting and a company that is doing relatively well, and we all know how this turned out (utter failure).

And now we got two large, troubled companies looking to merge, with a huge amount of duplication in their product lines, tons of debt, and excess capacity in its dealer networks? What the heck are they thinking?

 

You might as well "wish" it back to $1.15 a gallon ... but wait ... if GM makes the vehicles you enjoy to own, why isn't thier poor mpg ratings part of that joy.

Of course they do Ken, for obvious reasons. Take our Lexus SUV hybrid for example ... it's been around for three years, it's All Wheel drive, and I can get over 30mpg easily. That's 50% higher mileage than the 2x4 Caddie luxury. Meanwhile, our 400h gets the highest quality ratings, all the while costing more than $10,000 less than GM's offering. Only GM would ramp up Land Barges as full hybrids, even as the county deals w/ high fuel costs, and a faltering economy.

 

Before General Motors began exploring a possible merger with Chrysler — talks that first came to light on Friday — G. M. proposed a similar deal with its other cross-town rival, the Ford Motor Company, two people with knowledge of the talks said Saturday.

G. M. executives approached Ford about a possible merger in July, but Ford rejected the idea and ended the discussions last month, these people said.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/12/business/12auto.html?bl&ex=1223956800&en=9129ef63b50f6f1c&ei=5087

 

U.S. automakers Chrysler LLC and General Motors Corp are pushing for a quick merger deal ahead of the U.S. presidential election as sales continue to plummet and they cannot gain access to credit, a Detroit newspaper reported on Saturday. According to The Detroit News, senior executives at GM and private equity group Cerberus Capital Management -- which bought an 80.1 percent stake in Chrysler from Daimler AG for $7.2 billion in August 2007 -- are keen to wrap up talks before both automakers are weakened further by a sluggish U.S. economy.


GM, Chrysler pushing for rapid deal: paper | Reuters

 

What a wonderful combination this promises to be. GM makes crap vehicle. Chrysler makes crap vehicles. Who is going to surprised when they start churning out pure garbage? They should both do the whole world a favor and quietly fade away forever (and take Ford with them while their at it).

 

But they are counting on being able to churn out almost the same amount of garbage with only half as many employees. So they will save a ton of money by laying off half of the combined workforce.

FWIW, I don't think the workers are the root of the problem. Sure they are UAW, but this is really a management and company culture problem.

 

Pre-Production estimates say the Two-Mode Vue will get: 28/31

The BAS version of Vue is priced considerably less and gets: 25/32

And of course, there is the hybrid Ford Escape that gets: 34/31

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What does GM think people what from a small SUV ?

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It looks like GM wants to prove that BAS is better a full hybrid? That won't work because people will compare their BAS cars with competitor full hybrids.

Why is Vue 2-Mode city MPG so low? Are they cutting down on the battery and electric power? Maybe it does not come with electric AC.

 

The U.S. government is considering direct financial assistance to facilitate a possible merger between General Motors Corp and Chrysler LLC, a private sector source familiar with Treasury discussions told Reuters on Monday.

The Treasury Department is weighing aid of at least $5 billion, which could include capital injections and government purchases of bad auto loans, according to the source, a financial policy executive who spoke anonymously because the discussions are private.


Emergency financing, at least initially, most likely would be focused on GM and Chrysler and not Ford Motor Co, which is struggling but still better off financially than its U.S. rivals, the source said.


A Treasury decision could come this week, the source said.


UPDATE 3-US Treasury working on aid for GM, Chrysler merger | Deals | Regulatory News | Reuters

 

Its interesting how much this smacks of what happened to the English auto industry. I'm far from an expert on the subject, but here is my rough understanding. As they were struggling to compete with largely superior import vehicles, many of the British automakers consolidated in a last ditch effort for survival in 1968. The British Leyland Motor Corporation included basically all of the remaining british owned makers, including Rover, Land Rover, Austin, Mini, MG, Triumph, Jaguar, Moris, and the Leyland trucks and buses. Hopes were that the more functional parts would win out and straighten out the less functional units. Under the weight of rising inflation, poor management and the oil crisis the whole lot went bankrupt and was federalized in 1975. Over the next 10-15 years the company was split up, and most of it eventually acquired by international companies. My understanding is that there are essentially no british owned automakers in the UK at this point.

British Leyland - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Rob