1. Attachments are working again! Check out this thread for more details and to report any other bugs.

Just bought a 2009 Prius

Discussion in 'Newbie Forum' started by Chris11, Oct 19, 2008.

  1. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    The Toyota dealer here in E. WA had 2 last week. One was sold and shipped to a lady in FL (the salesman told me the FL dealers are adding a $7000 over MSRP premium so she bought it here and had it shipped) and I bought the other one.

    As I said, it's a 2009 with the package 3. Drove it home 22 miles and got 51.4 mpg over relatively flat topography. Around our small town I was able to keep just the electric motor driving the car but noticed that it was only able to power the car on electric only for about 1 mile and very easy pedal....after that the gas engine started and ran constantly.

    Once I started the car this morning I noticed that the gas engine was on constantly no matter where the gas pedal and getting low mpg, especially when cold. To me this is a flaw...too bad there isn't a simple plug in to top off the batteries overnight so as to save the gas usage.

    By the way, I paid the MSRP of $26,399. plus tax.

    Can anyone tell me is that really is the MSRP? I did phone another dealer first, that salesman quoted me the same MSRP and told me I would be 11th on the list waiting for a Prius.

    Overall I'm very happy. The electronic HUD and dash screen make for interesting watching. I'm worried I'm not watching to road enough. :D
     
  2. Tideland Prius

    Tideland Prius Moderator of the North
    Staff Member

    Joined:
    Oct 2, 2004
    44,936
    16,159
    41
    Location:
    Canada
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Congrats and welcome!

    The engine needs to warm up. If you want to minimise the engine warm up period, use an engine block heater. In addition, the engine running also heats up the catalytic converter.
     
  3. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    Hello,

    You could verify on toyota.com with build your own, but that $26,399 MSRP figure sounds spot on for a 2009 #3 with CF (floor mats). I checked into the figure since I bought a #5. In late 2008 there were no #3 packages in CA, then the 2009 build your own page started showing it.

    anyrate, the engine running when cold is totally normal. The car warms the engine up since a warm engine is more efficient than a cold one. Usually only a 1/2 or 3/4 miles away, then the engine will shut off when coming to a stop. The car is smart and does it's thing, just enjoy it.

    Several weeks ago we got caught in stalled traffic for at least 30 minutes on a 2 lane road going up a mountain, then down. The gas engine did not run except maybe a minute. Fantastic!
     
  4. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Thanks, glad to be here. Seems like a lot of good information to be had and shared.

    I went to Toyota.com as you suggested cycledrum and sure enough it came out to the same. (Yes, it has the floor mats.)

    I was wondering if you could answer a question.....

    We're going to drive to CA in about 3 months and will be leaving the car in San Diego in an open parking lot for 13 days. I mentioned this to the salesman and he said the "new" engine battery should be fine for that amount of time without a charge since the weather will be warm. I really don't want to have to worry about the battery being dead when we get back to the car so can you confirm what the salesman said, i.e. that the battery should have enough power left to start the car?

    Thanks again for the welcome.
     
  5. cycledrum

    cycledrum PSOCSOASP

    Joined:
    Apr 9, 2008
    8,245
    1,202
    0
    Location:
    NorCal
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    The owner's manual p.24 says the hybrid battery will slowly discharge if left parked for a long time, then goes on to say 'drive the vehicle once every several months for at least 30 minutes'. They are suggesting the car can easily sit for 13 days without getting a dead hybrid battery.

    I think it will be fine outdoors in SD for 13 days, but let's hear from the experts too.

    As a side note, heed the big warnings here and in the manual about consequences of incorrect jumping of 12V auxiliary battery if you should ever need that done. See sticky 'what every newbie should know'.
     
  6. direstraits71

    direstraits71 Member

    Joined:
    Jul 17, 2008
    367
    64
    0
    Location:
    Central Coast California
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    To minimize battery drain while your car is not driven, turn off the Smart Key system with the button under the steering wheel when you leave your car. This reduces the current pulled from the battery when the car is parked and is useful if you're leaving it for an extended period. I do agree that 13 days even with the Smart Key on shouldn't be a problem with a new battery.

    I second the warning about jump starting with caution.
     
  7. cairo94507

    cairo94507 Active Member

    Joined:
    Dec 24, 2004
    923
    36
    0
    Location:
    Auburn, CA, USA
    Vehicle:
    Other Non-Hybrid
    Model:
    N/A
    I just left my '05 with 95K on it parked for 2 weeks at the airport and it was perfectly fine and started right up and seemed no different from when I park it overnight. So relax; your car will be fine.
     
  8. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Thanks for the replies. Sounds like the salesman was right then.

    We just got home tonight from a 900 mile break-in trip. We went from Eastern WA to Seattle via Tri-Cities, then around the Olympic Peninsula and home. The topography was everything from flat to mountain passes, some up and down hills, heavy to light traffic. Mostly sunny and cool to sunny and warm with a bit of rain. Lots of little towns, freeway driving and 2 lane highways.

    We averaged 53.3 mpg. Wowzer.

    I used to watch our GPS a lot but now I watch the energy and consumption screens.

    I absolutley love this car, not just for the mileage but for the brilliant engineering that went into it. I have no doubt when the plug in model comes out next year I'll be trading this one in....onwards and upwards. :)
     
  9. donee

    donee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    2,956
    197
    0
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Hi Chris11,

    The car runs the engine at low power for the first minute. You may notice very heavy drops in the battery state of charge (SOC) indicator that first minute of driving. The purpose of this is to warm up the engine, and as the transmission oil pump runs only off the engine shaft, to lubricate the trans.
     
  10. EZW1

    EZW1 Active Member

    Joined:
    Aug 20, 2008
    722
    80
    7
    Location:
    Phoenix, AZ
    Vehicle:
    2016 Prius v wagon
    Model:
    Four Touring
    Here's something interesting to add: When the vehicles are shipped from the factory to the dealer, the dome light fuse is removed to prevent the 12V battry from draining. The dealer is required to install this fuse (and activate the Smart Key System) when he preps the car for display/delivery. Why leaving the fuse in is a problem, I'm not sure unless someone is always leaving the doors open during shipping, or there is some circuit hooked to the dome light that continuously slowly draws power.

    And by the way, the 12V battery is not they hybrid battery. The hybrid battery is the high voltage (207V) battery.
     
  11. N3FOL

    N3FOL Member

    Joined:
    Dec 2, 2007
    891
    16
    0
    Location:
    Stewartstown, PA.
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Enjoy your new '09. It has been almost a year now since I bought my '08 and I am still learning everyday. Congrats!
     
  12. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Good Morning All,

    I did notice that when the car is cold it takes time to warm up the engine....read, no electric motor usage and mileage suffers. Someone else mentioned that not only does the engine need to be hot for emissions, but the catalytic converter needs to be hot.

    I did try to extend my usage of the electric motor while going through small towns but it doesn't last long (mile or so maybe, sometimes a little more.) Since the days were coolish I do believe the catalytic converter had something to do with that...cooling off I presume and some sensor decided it was TOO cool.

    I still love driving on the electric motor only....it seems to good to be true...lol.

    So let me ask you "experienced" ones. Is 53.3 mpg right where the new car and I as a new Prius driver should be? I do try to ease off going up hills, and using gravity on the downside of the hill to gain back my speed. I was only driving at 60 on the 70 mph freeways. I also tried to feather the throttle while going down extreme hills to get the gas engine to shut off and use just the electric motor at high speed. I'm not certain if it's better to continue the feathering or to just take my foot off the gas completely.

    I do appreciate all your help.
     
  13. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Oops...one more question.

    Is there any way to turn off the automatic resetting of miles driven at each fillup? I would like to keep all the miles driven on any one particular trip for instance.

    I've attached a pic of my average mileage of the whole trip but the miles were reset from the last fillup.

    EDIT. Guess I didn't attach a pic....lol. Back to the drawing board until I figure out how.
     
  14. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Size IS important. :D
     

    Attached Files:

  15. donee

    donee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    2,956
    197
    0
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Hi Chris11,

    Yes, 53.3 is very good for a new car and driver. I was not at that mileage until 6 mo after owning the car. Mostly because I bought the car during the coldest time of the year here, but still, 53.5 is good. You must be doing something right!
     
  16. sandman

    sandman Member

    Joined:
    Mar 3, 2008
    277
    32
    0
    Location:
    kentucky
    Vehicle:
    2008 Prius
    Hello Chris11,

    53.3 is very good for a new car as tires get broke in it should go up some..Be sure and read up about tire pressure I run 48/46psi in mine..


    If you are only wanting to keep track of the miles, then you can use your trip odometer, but if your wanting to keep track of your miles and MPG on a trip then you can keep a notebook and record the numbers at each fill up or get a scangaugeII..

    Here are some tips to improve your MPG even more..
    1. Tire Pressure.
    2. Engine block heater
    3. ScangaugeII
    4. Grill block (DO NOT BLOCK GRILL WITHOUT SCANGAUGEII) you must keep track of water temp.
    5. Switch to a fully synthetic motor oil
    6. Watch where you buy your gas you would be surprised how much MPG's vary with different brands of gas..Ethenol very bad on MPG's
    7. learn how to P&G(pulse and glide)

    That should keep you busy for awhile..

    On the downside you can glide and get a lot more speed than just letting off the gas pedal..Also post a pic of your new car..
     
  17. Michgal007

    Michgal007 Senior Member

    Joined:
    Aug 24, 2006
    1,321
    98
    0
    Location:
    Macon, GA
    Vehicle:
    2006 Prius
    Model:
    N/A
    There isn't a way to turn off the resetting (since you have a 09, may be that choice is available though). Best way is to write down the miles and the mpg everytime you fill up, and then hit the reset button (which resets the mpgs for previous tank to 0).
     
  18. CBD2LAC

    CBD2LAC New Member

    Joined:
    Oct 1, 2008
    4
    0
    0
    Location:
    Carlsbad, CA
    Vehicle:
    2009 Prius
    Chris11, you probably researched this already but assuming you're flying out of Lindbergh Field or are departing from the downtown area of San Diego, there are several covered lots near the airport. Off the top of my head I believe Aladdin and Wallypark both offer this type of paid lot. You should be able to get more info, including rates, if you Google those companies.

    It sounds like your concerns about the battery were already addressed in previous posts but I thought you might prefer not to have your new "baby" exposed to the elements for a couple of weeks. Last year I parked my car outside at the airport in San Diego. While I was gone, they had the wildfires down here and my car was trashed when I got back. Just a thought.
     
  19. Chris11

    Chris11 Member

    Joined:
    Oct 19, 2008
    220
    41
    0
    Location:
    Washington
    Vehicle:
    2012 Prius Plug-in
    Model:
    Plug-in Base
    Hi everyone,

    I guess the cold is affecting my car .... mileage now down to 52.7 after driving to work today. Morning temp at 27 degrees. I did buy some of the pipe insulation for the blocked grill mod.

    Sandman, thanks for your advice on mileage. I do have the tire pressure at 42/40.... maybe I'll try it higher next summer. I have been keeping track of the gallons and miles at fillup but they don't come close to matching the car's computer figure. I'd like to put in a block heater but the warranty may be affected by that mod so I'm a little hesitant. And here in WA we're stuck with the oxygenated crap all year round so I know the mileage suffers because of that.

    Thanks to all who replied to my question about the resetting of the mpg/miles. I know about the trip thingy (technical talk...:p ) but as I mentioned the gallons/mileage don't seem to coincide with the car's readout.

    CBD2LAC....we're going on a couple of cruises out of SD. First one a 5 day, then when we return we get off that ship on one side of the pier and get on another ship on the other side of the pier for an 8 day cruise. The car will be sitting for 13 straight days. I've used the Carnival website that gives a list of nearby parking lots; then used Google Earth to look at them. We're probably going to choose the one directly across from the port and it's an uncovered one. Hopefully we don't have the same bad luck that you had. I'm curious though....how did the wildfires trash your car? Smoke damage/ash damage?

    Thanks again to all for taking the time to educate me. I've been spending time reading the rest of the information on this site and I'm impressed. Not just with the knowledge, but with the adult behavior. I've been on a few other automotive sites that seem to be just full of kids and infighting.
     
  20. donee

    donee New Member

    Joined:
    Aug 15, 2005
    2,956
    197
    0
    Location:
    Chicagoland
    Vehicle:
    2010 Prius
    Model:
    III
    Hi Chris11,

    The block heater is a Toyota part, and is commonly installed at Toyota dealarships. We get them from a Toyota dealer/parts distrubutor in Ohio (Metro Toyota). Its made in Canada, and comes in a box labled Toyota Canada.

    So, its not going to effect your waranty. There is one instance of apparently damaged wiring on a block heater, causing a fire in a Prius while the heater was plugged in. If you do not feel confident running 110 volt wiring around in the engine compartment of your car, just have the dealer install it.